Zito is God wrote:Outside of DH and SS, nearly all of their players are above average offensively for their position
This actually made me chuckle. When you say Scott Rolen and Lyle Overbay are guys that put up "above average" numbers offensively we know you're dellusional.
Well what's actually look at this instead of making our decisions based on nothing:
Overbay ranks 6th as a 1B in OPS in the AL.
Scott Rolen ranks 7th as a 3B in OPS in the AL (although I think it's hardly fair to judge him right now based on the monster slump he's in. Before July, he had a .850 OPS which was good for 3rd in the league).
So they are above-average, if only slightly. The corners are clearly not the offensive power positions in the AL that they once were.
I think the defense from both of them easily makes up what they lose in offense, though as I said, they are both above-average for their positions. If they had actually a very good bat at DH or some other position, their supposed lack of offense wouldn't look so glaring.
Great argument above me by bdrotoronto by the way. They never make the playoffs, they never have games that are actually important, and hell the Orioles are headed in a much better direction than the Jays and I guarantee the Orioles have a better season as early as next year. Orioles have Adam Jones, Markakis, Wieters, Tillman, Liz, and other prospects as their cornerstones. They are also doing the right thing by (most likely) moving Brian Roberts either during the deadline or in the offseason to get even more prospects. That team has a bunch of young talent now and Chris Ray is coming back as well. Dealing Sherril who has been a top AL closer will net even more talent. For the Jays, they choose to keep this talent that they know simply cannot get them to win by itself, and therefore their record speaks for itself. The team is terrible. Sorry. End of story.
Did you not look at the 3rd order standings? They've played just as well as the Yankees have. If the Jays are terrible, the Yankees are just as bad. With probably 30M to spend and prospects like Snider, Campbell, and Arencibia coming up over the next year or so, I don't see the Orioles making that jump over the Jays. Sorry. Period.