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Howie wrote:That is bush league. Who is he to determine how you use your own players? That's up to ESPN to decide, not your snot-nosed "commish."
lilfrier wrote:What about players like Sean Gallagher? He was a long relief guy to start, then became a starter. Then what about guys like B.J. Upton who are 2B-eligible because of LAST YEAR? It's the same issue with position players. Where do you draw the line? He either has to do ONLY positions played in the current year for ALL PLAYERS, or leave it alone.
Matthias wrote:lilfrier wrote:What about players like Sean Gallagher? He was a long relief guy to start, then became a starter. Then what about guys like B.J. Upton who are 2B-eligible because of LAST YEAR? It's the same issue with position players. Where do you draw the line? He either has to do ONLY positions played in the current year for ALL PLAYERS, or leave it alone.
First, B.J. Upton could play second tonight if the Rays needed him to with no real difficulty whatsoever. There are a few relievers who stretch out to start: Gallagher is one, Gallaraga was another, Joba was a third, but generally if a reliever wants to start, they have to put him into a process of stretching him out, and it's not overnight. As I mentioned earlier, if the Red Sox wanted Papelbon to start, it would be a process of at least a month before he could. That's why you see minor-league callups for spot starts and not just handing the ball to someone in the bullpen most times.
Second, and more importantly, it's qualitatively different to put a starter who has an RP designation or a closer who has an SP designation into those slots than it is to put BJ Upton at second. The stats for relievers and starters aren't even the same, to start off with... starters are ineligible for saves and closers sometimes get a win, but rarely. And the type of the stats that they have in common are very different. Starters get higher K's, relievers have a much lower ERA and WHIP, relievers have a higher K/9 and a lower BB/9... they just really aren't the same type of thing. And if you design a scoring system, bearing in mind X starting pitchers and Y relievers, it can get screwed up by these pitchers who are at eligible at both.
So no, BJ Upton has nothing to do with the discussion. As far as, where do you draw the line? You draw the line right where he drew it: no dual-eligible pitchers. There's no slippery slope argument here.
As far as rules changes mid-season... the OP didn't ask about that. And there are some obvious flaws that you fix right away, which is why you have a commissioner (not that I think this is one of them; it's a pretty obvious and well-known one).
lilfrier wrote:Yes, there is. The pitchers do, in fact, get more Ks, and they can't get saves. At the same time, the SPs only go once every five days. They only get more Ks in their start because they only go once, maybe twice, a week.
lilfrier wrote:And how can you say that Upton doesn't matter? Just the process the Cubs had to take to switch Ronny Cedeno from SS to 2B took about a month.
lilfrier wrote:The Sox moving Papelbon to a starter's irrelevant. Switching a guy built for 1-2 IP is different than a guy like Gallagher or Lieber who was meant to pitch 3-5 innings when there was an issue with the starter. Both of them were plugged right in. Joba's different because he was a 1-inning guy.
lilfrier wrote:If you have someone like Gallagher, who someone in a deeper league held as their 3rd RP and had no backup guy, then what do they do? Do you force them to drop Gallagher, someone who is making quality starts behind a good offense, only to pickup a crappy middle reliever like Zach Miner? I can understand not allowing it in cases like Myers', but with long relievers, it's a lot different than with a Joba-type guy who went from short relief to starting. Teams have dual-eligible pitchers on their rosters called long relievers with the sole purpose of having them as a reliever or an emergency starter. That's the way it works in baseball, that's how it should be in fantasy...
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