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Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:26 am
by BigLebowski
As an owner who trade Josh Hamilton for him before the season started I'm a bit worried. The problem with the new arm slot is that he can't throw the same pitches he normally throws. He is a beast and will battle through whatever comes his way, but he can't do right now what he is used to doing. :-o :~(

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:50 am
by decoy562
I think he'll make it through the year and be effective. If the Braves are not in contention, he'll be shut down. He will not longer be throwing his split-finger either. This may be his last year...next year tops. This makes me sad...he is a gamer and will be missed.

:~(

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:12 pm
by CruiseJD
I'm not sure what you will get out of him. Probably not Papelbon, but not Hoffman either. Effective, yes. Dominating, . . . not sure.

His SP eligibility makes him pretty valuable in certain league formats. In my Roto league, we have five SP spots and two RP spots. There are no P spots.

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:34 pm
by George_Foreman
If you think Smoltz is "done", you clearly don't know John Smoltz.

The concern with this injury is recovery, not how it effects his stuff. He's been pitching the whole year with it, and to date, his stuff has been excellent. From a fantasy perspective, what you've got to be aware of is that he will almost certainly NEVER go three consecutive days and go two consecutive rarely. This means you'll see Soriano and maybe Gonzalez taking steals away from him. I'd guess 40-50 innings the rest of the way for Smoltzy with very good numbers but not the saves total you'd like to see (maybe 15).

So he's still a useful fantasy player to have. Just be aware that while you may be getting workhorse closer ratios and Ks, you won't be getting workhorse closer innings or saves.

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:37 pm
by Yoda
Just for the record, I didn't say Smoltz is 'done'. I said that Smoltz is 'done as we knew him'. Big difference between the two.

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:52 pm
by George_Foreman
Yoda wrote:Just for the record, I didn't say Smoltz is 'done'. I said that Smoltz is 'done as we knew him'. Big difference between the two.

True. I guess I understand your implication to be that he was done being effective rather than done being a rotation (or bullpen) anchor. :-)

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:54 pm
by Yoda
George_Foreman wrote:
Yoda wrote:Just for the record, I didn't say Smoltz is 'done'. I said that Smoltz is 'done as we knew him'. Big difference between the two.

True. I guess I understand your implication to be that he was done being effective rather than done being a rotation (or bullpen) anchor. :-)


I probably should have said that he will be serviceable but his shoulder injury may be career threatening. So yeah I came off a lot more negative than I meant. :-D

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:58 pm
by George_Foreman
Oh, and as for his career, I'll be surprised if he's back next year. Unless he gets some (more) surgery or something, I'm just not sure he'll want to put himself through it physically.

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:13 pm
by decoy562
George_Foreman wrote:Oh, and as for his career, I'll be surprised if he's back next year. Unless he gets some (more) surgery or something, I'm just not sure he'll want to put himself through it physically.


Yes, but he's a competitor. If the pain is tolerable, I'd see him coming back for one more year, simply because he'd be bored.

Re: Smoltz new arm slot

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:23 pm
by decoy562