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Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:58 pm
by A Fleshner Fantasy
CubsFan7724 wrote:
Dan Lambskin wrote:how has Hanley Ramirez not been mentioned yet?

Well he was already the consensus 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues.


Exactly. I'd take him 1st in a keeper no question and I think many other people would as well. He hasn't been mentioned because there isn't much to say about him other than, he's really good and probably the most valuable fantasy player right now.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:09 pm
by bobbing_headz
I don't know about you guys but I'm still taking ARod #1. Coming back from his injury he's already 4/7 with 2 HRs. There isn't any indication he's not going to continue to be the best player in baseball. You'd be foolish to pass on him.

It looks like people are still giving way too much emphasis on stats up over a month and a half. For instance I'd still put Tex in the top 25, maybe slightly dropped but expect a big second half. Same goes for Santana.

Guys like Hamilton and Ellsbury should not be in the top 25. Even if they keep up their numbers I would be hesitant to put them top 25 next year.

Other than Santana and Peavy no pitcher should be on the top 25.

Slumpers like Reyes and Sizemore are still in my top 20. Both are too good to be outside that.

Chipper Jones will get injured, that is a fact, which is why he's not in my top 25.

And everbody who says Youkilis deserves top 25 is an idiot. I just don't buy the magical 100 point increase in slugging. Not gonna continue.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:13 pm
by BJSFAN123
bobbing_headz wrote:I don't know about you guys but I'm still taking ARod #1. Coming back from his injury he's already 4/7 with 2 HRs. There isn't any indication he's not going to continue to be the best player in baseball. You'd be foolish to pass on him.

It looks like people are still giving way too much emphasis on stats up over a month and a half. For instance I'd still put Tex in the top 25, maybe slightly dropped but expect a big second half. Same goes for Santana.

Guys like Hamilton and Ellsbury should not be in the top 25. Even if they keep up their numbers I would be hesitant to put them top 25 next year.

Other than Santana and Peavy no pitcher should be on the top 25.

Slumpers like Reyes and Sizemore are still in my top 20. Both are too good to be outside that.

Chipper Jones will get injured, that is a fact, which is why he's not in my top 25.

And everbody who says Youkilis deserves top 25 is an idiot. I just don't buy the magical 100 point increase in slugging. Not gonna continue.


So if Hamilton finishes with 40 hr, 120+ rbi, .300 avg, 10 or so steals..you're not going to rank him in the top 25?

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:02 pm
by RyanP421
bobbing_headz wrote:Slumpers like Reyes and Sizemore are still in my top 20. Both are too good to be outside that.

Chipper Jones will get injured, that is a fact, which is why he's not in my top 25.

And everbody who says Youkilis deserves top 25 is an idiot. I just don't buy the magical 100 point increase in slugging. Not gonna continue.


What else is going to happen this year mr Wizard?

Chipper hasn't gotten hurt yet, so how is it factual that he will? Do you even know what the word FACT means? To me, it would be an assumption. Granted, a likely assumption, but not a fact.

And for you to call people idiots for calling Youk a top 25 player proves that you are actually the idiot. It's not our fault you don't get a lot of hugs at home.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:16 pm
by raekwon
bobbing_headz wrote:Other than Santana and Peavy no pitcher should be on the top 25.
I would seriously consider Lincecum at or around the 25 spot. No one talks about him being an elite pitcher because hes from the Giants but he already has 6 wins with that god awful offense and hes leading the mlb in ks. Has to be top 25 for next year at least.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:19 pm
by Matthias
bobbing_headz wrote:And everbody who says Youkilis deserves top 25 is an idiot. I just don't buy the magical 100 point increase in slugging. Not gonna continue.

I didn't say that Youkilis is top 25. I said he's a lot closer than you think he is and will have a better year than Ryan Howard, who I think falls out of the top 25 if you're talking redraft.

And Yanks_baby, as far as the bet, I found some values off of the custom dollar value calculator back from 2005...
R 0.20
HR 0.34
RBI 0.22
SB 0.37
AVG 0.23 (you multiply this by (actual - replacement) x ab)

I'm happy to use these to determine value of Youkilis vs. Howard if you prefer. But I won't do a bet by eye-balling because people overvalue HRs and undervalue AVG and SBs relative to how much they're actually worth.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:22 pm
by Yoda
With Peavy's elbow problems, I wouldn't put him ahead of Webb right now. I also think Lincecum belongs in top 25.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:40 pm
by MEK4178
Its almost sick how vastly overrated Youkilis is from Red Sox fans. Sure he's having a great start, just like he did last year. And what were his numbers? 85 R 16 HR 83 RBI .288 AVG....Hardly an all-star like all you guys were clamoring for. His biggest asset is his OBP which doesn't come into play in most leagues.

Re: Revised TOP 25?

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:00 pm
by bobbing_headz
RyanP421 wrote:
bobbing_headz wrote:Slumpers like Reyes and Sizemore are still in my top 20. Both are too good to be outside that.

Chipper Jones will get injured, that is a fact, which is why he's not in my top 25.

And everbody who says Youkilis deserves top 25 is an idiot. I just don't buy the magical 100 point increase in slugging. Not gonna continue.


What else is going to happen this year mr Wizard?

Chipper hasn't gotten hurt yet, so how is it factual that he will? Do you even know what the word FACT means? To me, it would be an assumption. Granted, a likely assumption, but not a fact.

And for you to call people idiots for calling Youk a top 25 player proves that you are actually the idiot. It's not our fault you don't get a lot of hugs at home.


I think people are confused here. This list is not the top 25 players now, it's the top 25 players for the rest of the season. For both Youk and Chipper they're playing way over their heads and it won't continue. To give an example from last year the one that comes to mind is Hardy. He had 46 RBIs and 15 HRs through April/May. He only hit 11 HRs and 34 RBIs the rest of the year.