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The McGwire/Sosa duel and the juiced baseball. Andro vs. Human Growth Hormone. This bugs me no end. These guys are PROVEN or ADMITTED cheaters (Andro/Cork), and Barry has never been busted for anything.
lesgrant wrote:That is an excellent breakdown and statistical defense of Barry Bonds.
If we were having this debate a year ago, I might buy it. Unfortunately for Barry’s fans and supporters, that ship sailed during the grand jury probe and subsequent indictments. Sorry to be the party-pooper for this Barry love-in.
From the grand jury we know so far that:
BALCO and Anderson have been indicted for distributing illegal steroids
Bonds is a BALCO client and has received money for his endorsement of the company
Anderson (Barry’s lifelong friend and trainer) has told federal investigators he has distributed these illegal steroids to baseball players. Apparently there is a list.
Enough probable cause has been shown by prosecutors to subpoena Bonds as a witness to illegal steroid distribution. He’s not an executive of the company, so he probably isn’t linked in any administrative capacity. He’s not a scientist, so he’s not a witness to the development. He can only be a witness to the distribution and/or consumption.
Bonds has admitted to taking supplements from Anderson which were unmarked. Who in their right mind (especially someone who makes millions of dollars off of their body) would take any medication or supplement without knowing what it is, unless they don’t want to know what it is?
While none of the broad points above conclusively paint Bonds as a ‘roid user, they are much more relevant to this issue than a statistical analysis and the ensuing speculation as to the roots of those stats. Looking at stats, at this point, is moot. Give it up.
The Bonds supporters on this site love to gleefully claim that there is no way we will ever know if Bonds was juicing. They are dead wrong. Pete Rose, when he placed bets from his clubhouse, assumed that no one will ever know conclusively that he bet on baseball. Bonds will get nabbed the same way Pete did. From the length of time this grand jury probe has taken, it is safe to assume that there is plenty of evidence that the state has against BALCO and Anderson, including company records of development, testing, and distribution. There will be witnesses – scientists who helped develop these products, doctors who oversaw testing, people whom the products were tested on, executives who authorized it and, yes, those players who are on that magic list. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anderson himself turns state’s evidence to save himself from jail.
No matter what happens, Bonds and other athletes will be called to testify. When he takes the fifth, I wonder what statistical analysis you will use to explain that. You are all kidding yourselves if you think Barry Bonds is totally clean and clear from this scandal.
Your statistics will mean absolutely nothing in a court of law.
And to moan and groan about the media being unfair to him is ridiculous. They gave him the spotlight and the benefit of the doubt for the entirety of his record breaking season. The door swings both ways. If there is any chance that the single season home run king achieved his record by using illegal performance enhancing drugs, that’s a huge story. It is a much bigger story than Barry breaking the record in the first place. Records are broken all the time, but not by cheaters.
Many have also complained that he is being unfairly singled out. Giambi is on the list too, so why doesn’t he get the same headlines and attention? As a partisan Yankee fan, I believe that Giambi deserves the exact same punishment as Barry Bonds. But, the attention is deservedly focused on Bonds. Giambi didn’t break a home run record. It’s like if you have two authors, both guilty of plagiarism. One wins a Pulitzer and is a best-seller while the other has only moderate to average book sales. Who do you think the spotlight is going to be on? Was Mili Vanilli the only music artists to front as if they actually performed on a record as credited. Heck no! Credits on records are fudged all the time in the music industry. But, they were the only ones to get a Grammy for it. Hence, when it was revealed that they were lip-syncing they went down hard. Anyone who wins an award or breaks a record will get much more attention than someone who doesn’t, even though they may be guilty of the same crimes along the way.
Time will prove your “objective” statistical analysis to be merely wishful thinking.
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