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Whisp wrote:it's ridiculous to say hornsby is better than pujols. if pujols could face the pitchers from the 1920's he'd probably hit .700 and knock in 300 HR. while if hornsby faced the hurlers of today, he'd hit about .150 with no stats.
Tavish wrote:Whisp wrote:it's ridiculous to say hornsby is better than pujols. if pujols could face the pitchers from the 1920's he'd probably hit .700 and knock in 300 HR. while if hornsby faced the hurlers of today, he'd hit about .150 with no stats.
Exactly. Ruth would likely bat .075 because the game of throwing a ball and hitting a ball has changed drastically in 80 years. Players back then didn't have to contend with gravity like players do now and most players in the 1920s were 4'10" and had no athletic ability whatsoever.
Whisp wrote:1920 vs. 2000
how fast did the pitchers pitch?
90's fastballs were not uncommon, some hit the 100's like Big Train
was there as much movement on their pitches?
Yes Spit balls & other foreign substances were not regulated like they are today.
was there as much variety from pitch to pitch?
were players as fast in the field?
Some were, some were not
were players as adept at (getting to and) catching the ball?
Some were, some weren't. The greatest ranging CF to ever play was Taylor Douthit of the Pirates playing from 1922-1933
were gloves as good for catching?
In the 1885-1900's clearly not, after that it is argueable, but then again the balls were not nearly as good for hitting, hence the 'deadball' era(1900-1919). The baseballs werent bright shiny white every pitch. They were often dirt colored, making them much more difficult to pick up out of the pitchers hand. The baseball's were much softer as well and stayed in the game much longer to further deaden. There was not lighting either for games that went into the evening or cloudy days. Bats are not what they are today either. Imagine if those guys had baseball bats that were researched and developed for optium results back then....it balances itself out.
were defensive players as well conditioned?
No. Conditioning is obviously better now, but there were no questions about performance enhancing drugs either.
were defensive players and managers as smart at positioning?
I am sure there were smart players/coaches then as well, just like there are bad one's too. The hitters didnt have video & insanely in depth scouting reports done for them for every pitcher they might face also
why were stats so different back then? why were people hitting over .400? why were so few home runs hit?
For many reasons. One I explained was the ball first & foremost. As for home runs the stadium fences were MUCH MUCH deeper. There werent any bandboxes like today's stadiums. (The Long Ball Era 1994-2005) Two examples The West Side Grounds in Chicago the CF fence was 560 feet deep. The Palace of the Fans in Cincy had these dimensions LF450 LCF475 CF510 RCF475 RF450. How many parks today are 450 down the line??? Think that would help take away some of today's Hrs?
why could pitchers pitch so many innings? were they not pushing themselves to the limit?
Because they werent babied millinoaires with guarnateed $$ These guys were pitching for realisitc livelyhood, not for the extremes of wealth given to even the most average of pitchers.
it's nice to honor the past, the stats, the players of old. but you simply cannot compare them as athletes to today's players. there are too many reasons to think that players from the past played a different game of baseball and if they hit in today's game, they'd realize they are facing a much harder competition. you can't judge by stats alone, although thats what youre doing.
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