KronJon wrote: bigh0rt wrote:
KronJon wrote:Lets see... how about the fact that his OPS last year was equal to Juan Pierre's career OPS? People are fooled by his counting stats because he played in all 162 games. Don't overlook his horrible rate stats. He was just not good last year. Granted, with his age and upside, he could improve in leaps and bounds... but who knows.
He has a .293 AVG in 771 career Major League at-bats, and a career OPS+ of 94. At 22 years of age, I'll roll the dice on a guy who was once considered the best prospect since A-Rod, and presume that he will progress at a natural rate. If he isn't on of the Top 100 Overall performers this year I'll be shocked, and that's around where he's being drafted.
Ah yes, batting average. A .293 AVG doesn't hold much weight when your career OBP is .319, career slugging is .419, and career OPS is .738
. Those are putrid numbers for an outfielder getting drafted in the top-100. I'm not saying that I don't think he will progress, and I'm not saying I won't draft him. But there are clear and obvious reasons why people are listing him in this thread. He was not good last year, and people are drafting him this year based on his hype and prospect status. At least I hope that is the case... maybe there are people out there who see 93 RBI's and think he was some kind of stud. I notice the .408 slugging and realize that he was very mediocre and would rather go with someone like Matt Kemp who appears to be going around the same time in drafts.
From a purely 5x5 perspective, which I was and continue to be assuming, sure it does. .293, 13 HR, 93 RBI, 65 R, 10 SB. I agree that his OBA and ISO have both been low, given how high a lot of people are on him; but as I said, if he just continues to progress at a normal rate, he's going to be one heck of a player. Add to that that he's already been putting up reasonable 5x5 numbers to begin with, and you can't blame people for drafting him. Again, if he falls outside of the Top 100 5x5 Ranked Players in 2008, I will be completely shocked.
Bogey9906 wrote:He may not be an absolute bust, but there are certainly better picks at his ADP range.
Other OF going in and around the same time as Delmon all seem to have their drawbacks, specifically with their recent 5x5 contributions... Bay, Dye, Andruw, Francoeur, Sheffield... now, 5x5 isn't applicable, as your league is counting OPS and BB, but none of those guys are screaming to be taken before Delmon, in my opinion. As I said, again, natural progression, one would assume that Delmon is working on his eye, and his plate discipline should improve (it already has -- OBA went from .019 in '06 to .028 in '07), as well as power development. At 22 years old, it's incredible how many people are writing this guy off...