05worldserieschamps wrote:I dont see how 10 runs equals a win? In some cases, yes. But in the bottom of the 9th of a tie game, Orlando Cabrera does something that Uribe usually doesnt do(which is basically anything), thats another win. I think you guys are way underestimating how bad Uribe was. I mean, at least OCab puts the ball in play. Cabrera had almost half of the strikeouts Uribe did. And Uribes OBP was .284. I mean, come on. Thats terrible.
Here is something else as well.
Uribe- 55. Also, usually around that 50-60 mark, even when he doesnt have an OBP of .284.
Cabrera- 91. So you could say Cabrera gives the Sox about 36 more Runs.
IMO, Uribe, OCab=Owens, Swisher. Both are huge Upgrades, but uribe was so bad, I think its just as big an upgrade.
Ender's explained the reason why 10 runs is equivalent to a win, and this has been deomnstrated to hold regarding the relationship between runs scored and allowed and team's winning percentage.
I am not underestimating Uribe at all. He was among the worst players in the league last year. However, you are comparing Cabrera's 2007--his second best year ever as a major leaguer--to Uribe of last year. Cabrera has had some awful years too, like in 2004 when he hit had an OBP of .306 and slugging of .383 or 2005 when he was .309/.365. Unfortunately for the Sox, the predictions suggest that they will get something in between the Cabrera of 2004/5 and 2006/7. I don't disagree that if you get Cabrera's 2007 performance it's a huge upgrade. I just disagree that you'll get that. Instead, I argue you'll get something between the Uribeclone Cabrera of 04-05 and the UberCabrera of 06-07...and that will only be a modest improvement.
And regarding Swisher/Owens, I think your comment is just silly. Owens was as bad or maybe even worse than Uribe last year--he had just 12 XBH in almost 400 at bats; and Swisher is lightyears better than Cabrera, even in OCab's dreams.
I disagree. I understand Cabrera had down years too, but Uribe was one of the worst players in the league last year. Orlando Cabrera has never
been that type of player. Sure, he has had down years, but he has always contributed something. In his crappy year of 2005, he stole 21 out of 23 bases, hit into only 10 double plays(lowest of his full season career, though I know GIDP isnt a telling stat or anything), but more than anything, put the ball into play. Good things happen when you do that. He struck out his lowest total in his career.(again, full seasons) He also created 63 runs that year, which Uribe has only done once his entire career. Also, Uribe 34 stolen bases(31 CS) in his career
. Also, Defense. Uribe has a strong arm, but doesnt bring the same solid defensive effort OCab does. OCab almost always has a better defensive year than Uribe.
However, on the subject of Swisher to Owens, yes it s a huge upgrade(as was OCab/Uribe), but they are two different types of players. At first glance of stats, sure it seems incredably lopsided. But there are factors to consider.
1. Owens was 26. There was so much room for improvement there, and I think Owens could have easily been around .280-5-50 and who knows how many SB. He stole 32 bases in 93 games last year. He could have easily been 40-50 SB this season.
2. His speed. As I already mentioned, very good base stealer for his age. And covers plenty of ground in the OF.
3. Swisher is a power bat. Not to say he wont help a lot, but the middle of our order is already clogged up with Konerko, Dye, Thome, Crede, Pierzynski and now Quentin. These guys, much like Swisher all bring mostly one element to the game-- power. We have that already in our lineup. What we dont have is speed. Now, our best base stealer is 34 year old Orlando Cabrera, who cant move like he used to.
4. Owens can help bring more of the "small ball" approach. Which won a World Series in 2005.
5. Nick Swisher--just what we need. Another .265 hitter and below.
In all, though Swisher is a much better addition than OCab, Jerry Owens at least contributed in a good way to our team. He can help do things that Swisher can't do. However, I'm very much looking foward to seeing Swisher hit in this ball park. I think it could easily make a pretty good player into an All Star.
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