Coppermine wrote:It's seriously as if you ignored the rest of my *classy* post. It's not far fetched, we're not talking about video game, and we're not talking about DVD's. We're talking about teenagers making the moder equivalent of "mix tapes" to give to their friends. Gee, and all this time I thought the problem was in Peer to Peer file sharing. Turns out the real "morons" are teenagers sharing music (that may otherwise go unnoticed) with their friends. Boy, those record companies must be shaking in their boots knowing 69% of teens may be sharing some Kanye West with 3 or 4 of their friends.
Where did I say you agreed with the RIAA? You just seem to think anyone under the age of 20 is moron. Yes, can you effing belive that I am defending the right of 16 year olds to give a CD of music ripped from their own music collection to their friends. Oh my goodness, how that is destroying all that is American and democratic and in the best interest of record companies. No, they may not share their songs on Limewire or BitTorrent, but giving a CD to their girlfriend is certainly an illegal infraction that they should be aware of, and not being aware is certainly worthy of labeling the as stupid.
It's such a joke that this is the sort of thing that makes the "youth of America" look dumb to "grown adults." Especially since it seems to me that most adults don't even know how to burn a music CD and that MP3's are known collectively as "Ipods." Geez, these grown adults should know better when they buy their kids MP3 players, especially if they share their MP3's with their friends. Yeah, that's exactly what most adults I know use to consider today's youth as "dumb." These parents really need to educate their stupid teens when they buy them Ipods with legal disclaimers like "you can't use this if you share the music with your friends" or "if you share these songs with your friends, you're ground for a month, mister!"
Seriously, grown ups really need to teach more common sense before empowering today's youth with stupidity in digital form.
How can you overlook videogames and movies? It's the exact same thing, and in the case of movies, just as easy to do. It's like you saying kids stealing Pepsi is ok, but stealing Dr. Pepper isn't the same thing. Why exclude one when the bottomline is the same? Doesn't make sense to exclude movies at the very least from this discussion. Games I'll give you, as it would take a bit more to get started there, but movies are no different than music. What percentage of kids wouldn't know that burning copies of movies and giving them away would be illegal? I'd bet it's significantly smaller than 69%. So what makes music different in their eyes, and ok to steal, or why is it that they can't they connect the dots and understand it's the exact same thing as stealing movies (actual question in case you're wondering)? So for those without the mental capacity to make that connection, then yes, I call them stupid because it's true. If I'm going to be accused of saying that, I might as well get my money's worth and say it a few times.
I never said anything about the record companies shaking in their boots, or that the "real" problem is kids breaking the law and giving music away. I simply said that 69% of kids not knowing that giving away burned CD's is stealing, is dumb. Where are the parents? Where's the educational system? Plus the article said "teenagers", so where's the common sense? I didn't even say anything like "stupid kids", even though they do share in the responsibility of learning something as simple as this. I said "IT" was stupid. Here, check for yourself:
In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend.
If anything is as stupid as the RIAA in this, it's that ^^^^.
You just assumed I called the kids stupid instead of actually reading what I wrote. My actual post said "IT" or "THAT" (meaning the fact that 69% didn't know) was stupid. You just couldn't wait to attack, so you read it how you wanted to, instead of how it was actually written. Granted, I do believe those kids to be stupid, but that's not what I originally posted that you baselessly attacked over.
I will give you that some adults are as dumb as a box of rocks too. No disagreement here. And no, I don't think everyone under the age of 20 is stupid. We've got a lot of fine young adults on the various Cafes, and I know quite a few fine young adults in real life. Some are smarter than a large percentage of adults. Even the article said 69% didn't know, so that leaves 31%, almost 1-in-3 that have some sort of decent head on their shoulders, or are quite bright in some cases I'm sure. 1-in-3 is far from "all". However, it's well over half, so the "general" level of education for the youth of America is lacking severly. Why not lash out at the educational system? Or the parents (even though maybe you did with that last sentence, hard to tell if you're being sarcastic there or not)? Why lash out at me for something I didn't say? Because I think "it's" (the situation) stupid that those kids didn't know (which is what I wrote if you care to actually read the words that were written)?
Interesting that you'd defend theft, and if you had handled yourself better I might have been interested in discussing it with you (Like at what point theft should be illegal? Where's the line to what stealing is ok, and what stealing isn't, exactly?). Maybe I'd have learned something. But I know this won't go anywhere since you didn't even bother to read what it was I wrote originally. So I hope you got your kicks, laughs, or whatever it was you wanted out of this baseless attack. Me, these posts are enough that my point has been explained, you've represented yourself, and I'll move on to something more productive.
Well just to be safe, in case my point is still unclear, one last time in clear English:
I think it's stupid that parents don't teach their kids better. I think it's stupid that the education system lets this fall through the cracks and it doesn't get taught (NOTE - I'm not referring to the teachers, the entire educational system needs an overhaul, and that's not news to anyone). I think it's stupid that such a high percentage of teenagers who know that doing the exact same thing with movies or videogames is illegal, lack the common sense to connect the dots and realize music is no different. I don't believe this particular thing should be a major concern for the music companies, but that doesn't make it any less illegal. As to the point of the article and the thread itself (copying something you bought to your computer for your own use, being illegal), I agree the RIAA is being stupid here.
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