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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby TheA'sFatLeadoffMan » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:31 pm

Not knowing anything other than Anderson's #'s, at the age of 19 125 K's in 120 IP with only 21 BB is extremely impressive. Even at such a low level the fact that he can post a 6/1 K/BB shows he can control his stuff, it may not be 9+ K/9 at higher levels, but still.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Yoda » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:40 pm

TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:Not knowing anything other than Anderson's #'s, at the age of 19 125 K's in 120 IP with only 21 BB is extremely impressive. Even at such a low level the fact that he can post a 6/1 K/BB shows he can control his stuff, it may not be 9+ K/9 at higher levels, but still.


He is very young and far away from contributing.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby os_gamejunkie » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:41 pm

Tavish wrote:
Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???

Move to the NL ;-D

Better offence behind him ;-D

As a Haren owner I'm :-D :-D :-D


Moving from the Coliseum to Chase :-t :-t

The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.


That's because Haren pitches in the strike zone, avoiding the walk as much as possible. 17 of his HR given up last year came with no runners on meaning he still pretty stingy.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby JTWood » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:42 pm

Yoda wrote:Carlos has the potential to be a superstar and also by far the highest ceiling player OAK got in this trade.

Agreed. My initial reaction was, "At least they got Gonzalez in the deal."

I'm still absolutely shocked they moved him with this much time left before he becomes a free agent.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby NZ F » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:13 am

Tavish wrote:
Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???

Move to the NL ;-D

Better offence behind him ;-D

As a Haren owner I'm :-D :-D :-D


Moving from the Coliseum to Chase :-t :-t

The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.



I agree. In my mind Haren's value goes down with this move.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby HOOTIE » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:17 am

Tavish wrote:
Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???

Move to the NL ;-D

Better offence behind him ;-D

As a Haren owner I'm :-D :-D :-D


Moving from the Coliseum to Chase :-t :-t

The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.


The change in parks is big i agree. But don't you think some of it is negated by no dh, increasing his K/9, a better defense, and his bad luck last year leading MLB in tough losses with 8.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby RynMan » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:36 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Tavish wrote:
Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???

Move to the NL ;-D

Better offence behind him ;-D

As a Haren owner I'm :-D :-D :-D


Moving from the Coliseum to Chase :-t :-t

The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.


The change in parks is big i agree. But don't you think some of it is negated by no dh, increasing his K/9, a better defense, and his bad luck last year leading MLB in tough losses with 8.


I agree Hootie. Johan Santana gives up a bunch of HRs as well, and he seems to get by alright. As long as he keeps the walk rate down and the defense behind can keep hits from landing in (which it will in ARZ), should be solo shots. I think he gets a slight bump.

As for the trade itself....Beane basically realises that for this team to compete this year, a lot of guys have to be heatlhy, who aren't likely to be. This is the best time to rebuild and realign the pieces. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanton and Street dealt before the season as well. Now that he has decided that they aren't competing this season, he's going to be shopping those parts.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby AussieDodger » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:29 am

RynMan wrote:As for the trade itself....Beane basically realises that for this team to compete this year, a lot of guys have to be heatlhy, who aren't likely to be. This is the best time to rebuild and realign the pieces. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanton and Street dealt before the season as well. Now that he has decided that they aren't competing this season, he's going to be shopping those parts.


Yes! Someone agrees with me. ;-D
As an A's fan this trade is cool by me because if 2/6 guys from the trade are big hits then it's a two for 1 , and Haren was terrific and affordable at a time when we were too far from contending.
76 wins to 93 wins is a big jump. (For example A-Rod was worth 13 wins? in 2007 , and there aren't many of him laying around)
I think Blanton will stay , but Street could be shopped , especially around the trade deadline.
The Reds still need more bullpen help don't they? }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) Joey Votto }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) Johnny Cueto }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-) }:-)
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Yoda » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:49 am

I think moving to the NL will wash out the park effect. It is true that Haren is a fly ball pitcher in a HR hitters park. Also, he did a great job of keeping the ball in the park last year and I would expect that trend to continue.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby kellythemick » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:02 pm

os_gamejunkie wrote:
That's because Haren pitches in the strike zone, avoiding the walk as much as possible. 17 of his HR given up last year came with no runners on meaning he still pretty stingy.

I have to agree. A cursory look at where he surrendered his HR's supports this circumstantially. Outside of McAfee (10) they were scattered: Rogers (3), Tropicana (3), Jacobs (2), Safeco (2), Comerica (2) being the parks over 1. Jacobs and Rogers may be decent HR parks but the others surely don't favor hitters.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
While you might argue this just points out his lack of ability to keep the ball in the park anywhere, combined with gamejunkies info it more likely indicates a pitcher trying to work the strike zone - something easily controlled if he,or the coaches, feel the park is a problem.
If it's obvious it's probably true.
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