HOOTIE wrote:Probably the saddest thing of this whole thread, is the general lack of baseball history displayed. Bonds or Clemens didn't invent (cheating) in MLB. Of my years in the Cafe, lack of history seems to be the biggest negative in certain threads.
I disagree. Maybe based on being naive but my problem is based on the purity of history.
mweir145 wrote:Do you believe that everyone in the HOF is clean? Because I think you'd have to believe that to think the way you think.
I agree with you.......to a point. In an ideal world, if there was a way for us to know exactly who cheated and who didn't, I would love to see cheaters all thrown out. Unfortunately, we will never know. Hence, there is no way to pick and choose your cheaters.
Lofunzo wrote:Do you not see a difference between the 2 situations?? This is the first "proof" about Clemens.
Clemens was named by Grimsley last year in October. He denied it, the media accepted that, and it went away. This is really no different, it's just his personal trainer doing the accusing this time.
By proof, I mean proof. Being named doesn't mean anything to me. Having someone detail multiple years to me does.
mweir145 wrote:PED use is part of baseball's culture and has been for 50 years, so if you define "doing fine" as having a "clean" league, then no, that hasn't happened, nor will it ever happen.
Be completely honest. Has this been a known issue for 50 years?? Did the league and the fans know about this for 50 years or did this all recently come out?? I never heard about them and I am as big of a sports fan as they come. I know that you are younger than me so you haven't been following PED use in MLB for that long, have you?? My point is that we can't act like all of us knew about it for 50 years. Just that it existed.