Yoda wrote:Are you kidding? Who is to say that Bonds and Clemens didn't take roids to help their team? So if a player comes out and says "I took roids to help my team" that makes it ok? You guys cannot be serious.
And how do you separate out the habitual ones from one time users? I suppose you have an answer for that also so I am all ears.
EDIT: If Sosa was even half the player now that he used to be then he would have no problems finding work. It has to do with his skills that he can't find a team to play for not because he was blackballed.
Ummm... yah, actually.
Habitual user = player who took it consistently over a long period of time, at least one year
Non-habitual user = player who took it sporadically over short, defined periods of time, definitely less than a year, often less than a month
As far as Bonds/Clemens, it's pretty clear they have always been 24 & 1 guys; the idea that Roger took steroids to help his team just flies in the face of the last decade. The playing the half-season, the permission not to travel to games he wasn't pitching at, the flirtation between Houston, New York, and Boston... Clemens may be many a thing as a baseball player, but a, "team player" isn't one of them. And is it different? It makes people think differently about them because people care about intent. People care about what you were trying to do when you do things. But no, it doesn't make it, "ok". It just makes people empathize more.
But whatever... I feel like you're not having a discussion... you're just engaging in an internet pissing contest so there's really no reason to pursue this.
0-3 to 4-3. Worst choke in the history of baseball. Enough said.