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deerayfan072 wrote:I think what you saw with DY was part the Team getting someone Major League ready whose ceiling is a number 2 starter and everyday short stop, but also part that we all know DY did not want to be with the Rays and had said he would do his 6 and leave. I have heard they are shopping E-Jax and Howell. I think with the addition of Garza you will see one of the power arms (Niemann/McGee) moved to the pen and maybe be the closer. I also think they may trade some of the young talented pitchers for other position players. If Bartlett were to pan out they could always move Reid to the outfield where he would not be such a defensive liability.
I think short term the Rays will get the upside, but if Young reaches his potential, and that is a big IF, the Rays lose this trade.
raiders_umpire wrote:I haven't really agreed with it either. The only thing I can assume is that either they think Delmon will never turn the corner patience wise, and if you look at it, he has only gotten worse since he was 18. Or Delmon was possibly more of a trouble maker in the locker room then we know about.
But either way, Garza and Bartlett both have to play outstanding to help us out on this deal. Bartlett is "known" to have a great glove, but he has never shown me that he does have a great glove. He is pretty much middle of the pack defensively in the majors so while that is a upgrade over our SS last year, we aren't talking about Tulo and 5 extra wins either, but somewhere around 1-2 extra wins defensively. But really what is so special about league average defensively and league average offensively? Garza has two quality pitches, but most major league starters have to have 3 quality pitches to be good. I don't consider Garza any better then Niemann, Davis, or gang in our minor league system, but he is MLB ready. If Garza develops that third pitch and throws strikes, this deal could be OK for us, but if that never happens, then we will definitely end up on the fleece end of this deal, no matter how good Morlan becomes.
Pretty much we win this deal if
1. Rocco is able to play 155 games in a combo of RF and DH this coming year, as he has the ability to possibly make us forget about Delmon for a little while.
2. Bartlett makes a jump defensively and gets back to his 2006 levels and have a OBP of 380 or so.
3. Garza develops that 3rd pitch, and takes Shields spot as our #2 SP. If Garza is good enough that Shields is our 3rd best pitcher this year, then we could be looking at around 6 or 7 extra wins from that pitching spot.
If two of these things happen, we will probably still be better off with the trade, but if only 1 of these 3 things happen, Mr. Delmon will be greatly missed this coming season and beyond.
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