RugbyD wrote:I'm not privvy to granular data on inflows and outflows and for what procedures. I'm not sure such a data set exists, but by piling up enough anecdotes is evident that it happens plenty in both directions and for various reasons.
Did these people you know selectively not have insurance like Madison? What options had they looked into, if any? How necessary were the procedures, both in an absolute sense and relative to other options?
St. Jopesh's in Bellingham, WA has no shortage of Canadian patients who turn to them as a last resort due to rationing.
Rugby, I respect you and your opinon. However, if one day for whatever unfortunate reason you or your loved ones couldn't afford insurance in this country and became deathly ill, how would you feel? Would you be ok with the fact that even though there are more than enough hospitals and doctors in this country but you couldn't get treatment because you couldn't afford the medical bills? It could really happen to anyone. Even people with money.
Believe me, I have considered this and for me it comes down the the fact that I do not consider healthcare to be a right. I fail to see how somebody's gripper in Tuscaloosa should in any way be my responsibility outside of voluntary relationships I have entered into with that person in the form of us happening to be in the same pool of private, voluntary insurance. This having been said, I am not in practice opposed to some sort of safety net, but such a saftey net should in no way provide the means for people to continuously attempt to cheat death, especially death as a result of their own choices. I had two GPs kick off when I was young due to lung cancer, but the simple fact is that they brought it on themselves from years of chain-smoking and I see no reason why your GPs should have been expected to shoulder their load.
I reserve rights as those things due to people by the nature of their existence. Rights are intangible and have always existed since man was rational. They cannot be created, only recognized for what they are and then protected from coercive forces. Healthcare is an ephemeral social construct, not a naturally occurring right.