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nbb23 wrote:But remember, offensive stats are not the ONLY stats. Plus don't you think Braun should have helped the Brewers get to the playoffs rather than hurt them? 3 errors in ONE game down the stretch doesn't help that is for sure.
The way I look at it is which player would I rather have on the baseball team (not fantasy) that gives the team the best overall player to help them win games. For me it is a close call, but I think the ROY should definitely be Tulowitzki!
Scooter1027 wrote:The way I look at it is which player would I rather have on the baseball team (not fantasy) that gives the team the best overall player to help them win games. For me it is a close call, but I think the ROY should definitely be Tulowitzki!
What if "your" team was one of the 29 teams that doesn't play at Coors? Would you take his .256/.327/.393 (.719 OPS), even with the great defense? He's Craig Counsell outside of Coors -- very good defender, pretty poor hitter.
nbb23 wrote: Once Braun was called up he definitely contributed offensive numbers that rival the season Pujols had as a rookie which is amazing, but did he really 'help' his team become better overall as a team?
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Definatly Braun. The stats tell all.
nbb23 wrote:I don't know about you but I usually base a teams performance on Wins and Losses. Granted there are other team dynamics and what ifs, but there is no way to isolate how his performance really effected the team other than wins-losses. Braun was called up for the May 25th game I believe and after that point the Brewers went 55-60. That is a losing record, oh and before Braun was called up the Brewers were 28-19. Now he may have put up sexy offensive numbers, but those statistics don't say to me he 'helped' his team become better.
I conceed that Braun has the offensive numbers, never disputed that. But, to me I would vote based on the player overall (offense and defense) and their contribution to the team. I think Tulo lacks in offensive compared to Braun, destroys Braun in defense and overall had a bigger effect on his team. To me that is two categories to one. So yes, I am serious that I don't think Braun had as much of a positive effect on his team as Tulo had on the Rockies.
But as I stated before it is really a tough call because both players are studs and will be for many years to come. Heck, I think it should really be a tie but that isn't going to happen so I give my edge to Tulo. And let us not forget Pence was doing awesome as well before he got hurt. All three players are awesome and I look forward to watching them all in the near future. But for now, only Tulo and the Rockies made it to the playoffs so I will enjoy watching his contributions to his team in the playoffs!
HOOTIE wrote:A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Definatly Braun. The stats tell all.
26 errors in 4 months. He might have hit 40 in 6 months. Troy had 11 errors all year at a much more demanding position.
I know Braun had 2 less months abs, and was the better hitter but,
Surprised so much love for Brauns offense, ignoring he probaby was the worst everyday fielder playing.
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