nyrblue2 wrote:Why just look at batting average for the Reyes - Hanley debate? Hanley's BABIP is .359. Reyes' is .328. Based on this stat, you can argue that Hanley is just getting luckier than Reyes because his batted balls are falling in for more hits.
Sure, pro players can hit the ball to certain parts of the field on purpose. But if they both hit a ball the same way to right field, why does it make Hanley better because a fatty in right can't catch up to it, while a speed-demon in right can catch Reyes' line drive?
Another interesting way to look at it would be to combine these stats for the 2 guys: Total Bases, Walks and Stolen Bases (I would also throw in Reached on Error and Reached on Fielder's Choice, but I couldn't find those #'s). To me, this gives a quantity of total bases that they "earned". The regular total bases stat doesn't take into account BB and SB. Interested in the numbers?
Reyes - 375
Hanley - 371
Who's more "valuable" now?
Anyone care to comment on the validity of this argument? It's ridiculous right? I agree. I'll be the first to admit that these so-called "observed and codified" stats can be twisted into any shape that supports your argument.
I'm not trying to completely defend Reyes over Hanley, even though I am a NYM fan. Honestly, there are plenty of times when I would rather have Hanley's HR over a Reyes single. But when they both get singles, the majority of the time, Reyes will do more to get himself around the bases with steals. There are probably times when you can just accept the fact that Hanley will get stranded on first base, but that is never the case with Reyes. He always brings the possibility of extending an inning with his base-running.
Isn't that what this thread was about?
Reyes has been caught stealing 15 times. Hanley has been caught stealing 12 times. Using your more "valuable" mathematical formula, that brings the total to:
Reyes - 360
Hanley - 359
I'd hate to bring up HRs, RBIs, Runs, as those stats mean absolutely nothing.