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soylent green wrote:This spring will be my first roto draft. It is easy for me to see what effect having A. Rod will have on my Hr totals; but what eaffect will having E. Gagne or Pedro have on my era and whip. Espically, Gagne who will pitch no more than 70 to 80 innings.
Guest wrote:You make a very profound comment if you think about it! A SP pitches probably at least twice as many innings as a closer. So obviously for those categories a SP is twice as valuable. Many fantasy players overvalue closers IMO.
swarmee wrote:soylent green wrote:This spring will be my first roto draft. It is easy for me to see what effect having A. Rod will have on my Hr totals; but what eaffect will having E. Gagne or Pedro have on my era and whip. Espically, Gagne who will pitch no more than 70 to 80 innings.
Well, I ran the http://www.usatoday.com projections on this using ONLY whip and era for the pitching categories and came up with these guys as the Top20 pitchers for WHIP/ERA in terms of helping your team:
P Pedro Martinez Bos 195.0 2.12 1.021 = $55.84
P Eric Gagne LA 80.0 1.91 0.875 = $39.86
P Billy Wagner Phi 80.0 2.25 0.938 = $33.25
P John Smoltz Atl 70.0 1.93 0.943 = $33.19
P Keith Foulke Bos 73.0 2.47 0.945 = $29.10
P Mark Prior ChN 220.0 2.78 1.132 = $27.48
P Octavio Dotel Hou 85.0 2.65 1.012 = $26.25
P Mariano Rivera NYA 70.0 2.19 1.071 = $25.09
P Tim Hudson Oak 235.0 2.91 1.140 = $23.43
P Curt Schilling Bos 225.0 3.20 1.084 = $23.07
P Guillermo Mota LA 95.0 2.65 1.095 = $22.70
P Francisco Rodriguez Ana 80.0 2.81 1.050 = $21.80
P Jason Schmidt SF 190.0 2.98 1.126 = $21.32
P LaTroy Hawkins ChN 75.0 2.40 1.147 = $20.33
P Paul Quantrill NYA 75.0 2.40 1.160 = $19.68
P Damaso Marte ChA 75.0 2.40 1.160 = $19.68
P Shigetoshi Hasegawa Sea 75.0 2.40 1.173 = $19.03
P Arthur Rhodes Oak 65.0 3.05 1.046 = $18.30
P Rod Beck SD 60.0 2.55 1.133 = $18.14
P Jose Valverde Ari 60.0 2.55 1.133 = $18.14
As you can see, these closers and middle relievers can do as much or more for your team in WHIP and ERA as these guys which are farther down the list: Oswalt, R Johnson, Brown, and Halladay. Surprising, isn't it?
Guest wrote:Don't blindly believe what these sources value the players. Run the figures for yourself. 200 innings of 3.00 ERA & 1.20 WHIP equals 100 innings of 1.50 ERA & 1.10 WHIP. Think about it!
reiser wrote:I don't know about having Rhodes on that list, but I do agree with your point. I think closers actually have more of an impact on WHIP/ERA than is generally thought.
Just ask Mesa owners from last year
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