CBMGreatOne wrote:It is you who is under false impressions of the definition of collusion. ... I think you are confused about the definition of the word. ... I have looked at about 10 different definitions online and only about half of them even use the word "secret". ... You need to brush up on your acquaintance with the term collusion.
Uh... I just looked in the dictionary. Forgive my simplistic, Neanderthal methods.
All of the sources listed here
have as their primary definition "a secret agreement".
Again, glad this worked out, Triplec223.
Look I'm not trying to make this personal. Both of our tones have been less than exemplary during the course of this thread. I know you're a good guy, so I'm sorry for my part in it, ok?
As for the word secret being included in the definition, the reason why I'm finding it in some of the citations I'm looking at and not others is, I would conjecture, that in business terms, collusion is illegal. Being illegal, a collusive deal would never be struck in anything but "secret."
Therefore, an implicit element to the terms definition is included in certain citations and not others.
In this case, I don't think the managers involved knew that they were doing anything wrong... well... questionable at any rate.
Therefore, the circumstances have not been kept secret, but I agree with yahoo's definition of the word collusion. The element of cooperation is what's important here, not the element of secrecy. We know it's not secret. Lots of deals that I've seen that I would consider collusive are not necessarily struck secretively.
Even in the source you cite, the root words are explained:
"from com- "together" + ludere "to play," from ludus "game""
Pretty clear to me that the absolute denotation of the word has to do with the cooperative element, not the secretive element of it.
I think at this point we are splitting hairs.
If you really want me to cut and paste those definitions of collusion that I have found that do not include the word secret, here you go:
COLLUSION - An agreement between two or more persons, to defraud a person of his rights by the forms of law, or to obtain an object forbidden by law; as, for example, where the husband and wife collude to obtain a divorce for a cause not authorized by law. It is nearly synonymous with covin.http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c251.htm
Collusion- (n.) A secret agreement and cooperation for a fraudulent or deceitful purpose; a playing into each other's hands; deceit; fraud; cunning.
(n.) An agreement between two or more persons to defraud a person of his rights, by the forms of law, or to obtain an object forbidden by law. (two listings, one says nothing of "secrecy")http://websters.wunderdictionary.com/dictionary/def/.../collusion.html
, fraud. An agreement between two or more persons, to defraud a person of his rights by the forms of law, or to obtain an object forbidden by law; as, for example, where the husband and wife collude to obtain a divorce for a cause not authorized by law. It is nearly synonymous with covin. (q. v.) 2. Collusion and fraud of every kind vitiate all acts which are infected with them, and render them void. Vide Shelf. on Mar. .& Div. 416, 450; 3 Hagg. Eccl. R. 130, 133; 2 Greenl. Ev. 51; Bousq. Dict. de Dr. mot Abordage.
Source: Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition http://www.legallawterms.com/legal-definition-COLLUSION.html