Zito is God wrote:
jbauer2485 wrote:I don't think it's a no-brainer type deal, it's extremely difficult to get ace pitching, which Joba is looking like he may be. I'd have a hard time saying no though, Tex is a beast.
I have never seen a scouting report stating he has ace stuff. I read he is likely in the #3 seat. Look at this formula in terms of +/- of runs scored vs. given up:
Andy Phillips and Joba Chamberlin vs. Mark Teixeria and Mark Redman.
I am using redman as he is the first mediocre pitcher that we can get cheap off the FA that I could think of. I believe the runs of the second pair will be in the Yankees favor. Also remmember the gold glove Tex has which is bound to save a good amount of runs as well over a full season.
I don't know where you are getting your info about Joba from. He would've been a top 10 pick without any injury concerns, he throws heat. He sits 96-98 in games, throwing as hard as 99 or 100 at times. His fastball has reached 98 mph as late as the 7th inning of games. But forget that for a minute, because he throws one of the most devastating sliders you will ever see in the mid-high 80s. Guys swing hopelessly at it in the dirt, or are frozen when he paints the corner with it. And that isn't even counting his good change and developing curve.
As I said, a lot of scouts find him more intriguing than Hughes. Joba just needs to work on CONSISTENTLY commanding his secondary pitches, which is something that Hughes had figured out at the ripe age of 19/20 (which is why Hughes is such a rare prospect). You can teach command over time because of mechanics, but you can't teach a 100 mph fastball or the slider that Joba throws. That is why some scouts like him more. Both project as potential aces, whoever told you that Joba's ceiling is a #3 couldn't have been more wrong, unless they were still in the year 2005.