05worldserieschamps wrote:700/500 ..
Let me know when any other player comes close.
Exactly. That should be the end of this discussion. Your keep arguing about how should have HR and whatever. Guess what? Hitting- Bonds is better. More HR and this with Ray Durham(compared to Lou Gehrig) hitting behind him. Even if you want to give the SLIGHT edge to Ruth here, like it was pointed out earilier, it says ballplayer. So even if you give a slight victory to Ruth on hitting, Speed: No Comparison at all. 500 SB is an accomlishment for any player, ecpecially one with 700 HR. Defense: No COmparison at all. Bonds has won 8 Gold Gloves.(the most ever GG at OF is 12. Whoelse? Mays) Bonds is the complete package. 5 tool player. Ruth was just a big guy how hit HR. Again, no knock on Ruth, buts its not close.
But you are not taking in to consideration Ruth's pitching ability which in my mind at least makes up for the 500 SBs. Ruth didn't come up to the plate much at all in his first 4 seasons. His numbers would be far superior at the plate if he had. So those pitching numbers have to account for something. 500 SBs? So Bonds was faster than Ruth... You could pull guys off the street that could steal 500 bases over the course of 20 years. CAN'T pull guys off the street that would be able to pitch and get MLB hitters out.
You keep saying with Ray durham hitting behind him. He didn't have Ray hitting behind him his whole career. And Durham is a pretty good hitter when healthy. Also, around the time Durham was hitting behind him is around the time when his strikezone shrunk to nothing. I'm pretty sure Ruth didn't have that strikezone.