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Could Joe Girardi actually been bad for the Marlins

Postby PlayingWithFire » Sun May 06, 2007 9:02 am

Sure he won a lot more games than expected for the Marlins last year. But so far 1 month into the year it looks like he burned a lot good young arms last year. Just look.

Josh Johnson
Previous career high: 139.2ip
2006: 169.1ip, would be more if he stayed healthy all year. The reason he was not was at least partially attribute to Girardi leaving him in after the rain delay.
2007: DL, arm nerve issue

Anibal Sanchez
Previous Career High: 136ip
2006: 200ip
2007: 2+ WHIP in the majors, arm issue in ST

Scott Olsen
Previous Career High: 136.1ip
2006: 187ip
2007: Highly ineffective, worries about injury issue surfacing in ST

I don't remember a whole lot of negative things said about Girardi last year, it's always about how he brought the Marlins from nowhere to contention last year. Maybe the above 3 will turn around and have good careers(it's way too early to judge) but after watching the coaching staff in KC burn out the arm of Runelvys Hernandez and Chad Durbin, it's not unreasonable that those 3 could be done/mediocre the rest of their career due to overuse at a young age.
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Postby Ender » Sun May 06, 2007 9:39 am

Girardi played his young players who won the games, he wasn't an amazing manager and yes he did go Baker on that pitching staff and probably caused at least a little damage to it.
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Postby stevekahuda » Sun May 06, 2007 10:26 am

There is no evidence that high pitch counts or a lot of innings cause arm problems. Most of it is anecdotal. There are many pitchers who make those sorts of inning jumps without problems. If anything, its probably just bad luck.

You have to expect your starters to throw around 200 innings (barring injury) or else you are in big trouble. 200 innings and say 32 starts gets you a little over 6 innings a start. Its still early in the season, and I would expect some of those guys to come back and have productive years.
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Postby wrveres » Sun May 06, 2007 10:27 am

That is unfair.
The Marlins front office traded away all of their starters minus one, and they amassed 8-10 younger SP's in return.
They then held an open competition for starting gigs from that group of guys, and those pitchers above won.
What was Joe supposed to do, just sit them on the bench once they hit 140 IP and bring up another group of young guys that were already throwing innings in the minors?

And for the umpteenth millionth time, Dusty Baker didn't do squat to those pansy Cub pitchers. That has been proven time and time again, on these very boards. I suggest you do a search and educate yourself.

very very unfair, on both accounts.
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Postby Archduke Chocula » Sun May 06, 2007 10:56 am

The Red Sox were willing to move Sanchez because they were concerned about his health, like the Giants were about Liriano.
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Postby Krunk City King$ » Sun May 06, 2007 11:59 am

I would say that they are missing JG instead of sayint that JG hurt their team.

Maybe the lack of his catcher mentality leadership....aka how to handle the pitching staff combined with his philosophy in the form of daily preparation is what is missing.

They were babies that just got weaned off of their bottles....and then management came in and took away their mommer!

Now they have to adapt to a new momma with new rules and a new way of thinking. Who knows how many times players were told things like "he is gone" and "we no longer do that around here."


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Postby Another Blown Save » Sun May 06, 2007 12:35 pm

Both Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez have a long history of injuries, so it's no surprise that both of them are having arm problems Mat Latos - Sponsored by the Fantasy Baseball Cafe!
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