jdsun1 wrote:samjerky wrote:You know I just had a thought, though, on this subject in terms of roto and H2H. If you do what many suggest, which is not to draft closers high, and then decide you still want to compete in saves, you are still essentially punting ERA and WHIP because you're ending up with the Solomon Torres types, is that not so?
At any rate, I did go with that strategy, and I made sure that I've got two pretty decent closers but that the rest of my MRs are really solid MRs so that I'm not definitely not even near the top in saves, but I am near the top in terms of WHIP and ERA (actually at the top).
So I guess I really don't see why MRs are valued so low by so many people. In my limited experience, people try to grab up closers focusing on saves, and so far they seem to have terrible WHIP and ERAs if they didn't put a premium on pitching early in the draft.
My exact thinking and strategy. Pickup Okajima and Cabrera as MRs and sleep a little better at night.
I am at the top in era and whip using these two in H2H. It also helps having haren, snell, hill, kazmir, and hamels.
I am definitely a proponent of MR's value in fantasy.
However, in response to the first part (where the Torres types are likely to ruin your ERA and WHIP) not all FA or late-round closers have horrible ERAs. There are a few that have very good ratios (BJ Ryan in 2005, Pappelbon and Putz last year, Al Reyes so far this year) and most of them have decent ratios - thats why they end up being closers. And even a 4-ish ERA doesn't kill you as they pitch 60-70 innings. Only a few end up being Torres types each year.
So no, getting FA or late-round closers doesn't mean you're punting ERA and WHIP. Having a new closer fail on you over a couple weeks hurts you no more than a young guy having 2 crappy games and then being sent back down (P Hughes?)