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Postby NYBonkerz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:14 pm

i just submitted my keeper list and it includes 5 hitters...ortiz, hafner, miggy, howard, sizemore lots of power, 20-35 steals

5x5 roto, 10 teams

i have heard several times in the past of people winning leagues by drafting high on closers, great set up men...and winning era, whip, saves and dumping wins, maybe K's?

does this strat work in roto?


what i had planned on doing was using my first 2 picks on pitching with some speed/saves after that. the only closers kept were krod and ryan, i traded away my 1st round picks but have two 2nd round picks, 12 and 17 overall, so i doubt nathan will be there, but its possible i could nab rivera/wagner then theres the street/putz/hoffmans after that....

as for SPs best availible would be webb, sheets, dice-k, schmidt, lackey

i think it really depends on if nathan is there at 12 cause then rivera or wagner will be there at 17 most likely, which means that webb sheets and dice-k would be all taken by the starting pitching-needy teams like mine but then again i won't be upset by getting any 2 of those 5 starting pitchers with my first 3 picks....

so you think this could work in my position with those 5 hitters? and would you abort if nathan/rivera/wagner are all gone by 12?
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Postby hot4tx » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:07 pm

The way the closers work for you best in 5x5 roto is to get a bunch of the guys with good ERA and WHIP. They'll have similar K/9 as some of the top SPs, but you can get them a little later. You load heavier on offense and then get several of them around the 8-12 rounds. Even the guys with a mid 3 ERA (not considered top closers) can help you, think about their comparable ERA if they were a SPs and where you'd have to draft that guy.

Also remember there are lots of top non-closer RPs that have great ERA, WHIP and K/9 but just don't give you saves.

Typical closers get at least 60-70 innings so 4 decent closers equals an elite SP and sets you up well with saves.

Like-wise a typical non-closer will throw 75-90 innings with great stats and get 5-6 wins, so getting 3 Shields, Zumana, Broxton type guys gives you comparable stats to Santana.
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Postby The Jury » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:14 pm

If you're asking about roto in particular, then the answer is yes. Relievers work better in roto than in H2H.
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Postby NYBonkerz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:44 pm

so hot4tx,

are you saying that i shouldnt even draft a closer with my first 2 picks? and try to get a nathan/rivera/wagner? and just load up on the upper mid-tiered guys later on? like putz/hoffman who go later

if so, then im assuming that i would draft more hitters, maybe a speed specialist?

im completely new to this way of thinking so im just looking for thoughts....

also, what if a potential SP stud sleeper (sheets) drops to like the 8th round...do i take him?
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Postby NYBonkerz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:07 pm

So i just did the numbers on trying to dump K's and W's.....

5x5 roto, 10 teams...

pitching will net you 32 points (10 each of saves, ERA, WHIP - 1 ea of W's and K's)

so to get 80 points, which is the average of the winner for the last 3 years in my league...
i need 48 points or basically 9's and 10's in every single hitting category....

is this strategy possible??? i wouldnt even be able to draft top availible closers, i would have to get 2 more hitting studs, including a base stealer.
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Postby bleach168 » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:24 pm

NYBonkerz wrote:So i just did the numbers on trying to dump K's and W's.....

5x5 roto, 10 teams...

pitching will net you 32 points (10 each of saves, ERA, WHIP - 1 ea of W's and K's)

so to get 80 points, which is the average of the winner for the last 3 years in my league...
i need 48 points or basically 9's and 10's in every single hitting category....

is this strategy possible??? i wouldnt even be able to draft top availible closers, i would have to get 2 more hitting studs, including a base stealer.


You can't tank two categories in roto. In a perfect world, it might work but things never go as planned. In roto you need balance.
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Postby EugeneStyles » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:34 pm

You can ignore SP's until very late in the draft if you want, but it's a tricky strategy, and you will need to churn SP's during the year, picking up any SP with a good matchup, and then hope for some luck.

The top MR's will have good ratios, and better W/9 than good starters, and usually good K/9 as well. The problem being that they pitch about 1/3rd the innings of a good SP. That's why the all-reliever strategy works better with very strict IP limits. If you have normal IP limits, you would need at least 4 SP's on your team to come close to the limit. So you'd have to draft probably 3 SP's and then plan on churning as best you can to gain more W's and K's.

If you don't draft SP's at all, and you don't churn, then you're pretty much screwed.

Oh, and when I say churn, I don't really mean churning to the full extent (the way it is usually described as abusive - where you give up on ratios and just go for as many W's and K's as possible). I just mean that you have to watch waivers, and pick up guys as much as possible for spot starts.
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Postby NYBonkerz » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:31 am

in the league that im trying to use this strategy, we dont have a min innings pitched limit.
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Postby Bloody Sox » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:07 pm

NYBonkerz wrote:So i just did the numbers on trying to dump K's and W's.....

5x5 roto, 10 teams...

pitching will net you 32 points (10 each of saves, ERA, WHIP - 1 ea of W's and K's)

so to get 80 points, which is the average of the winner for the last 3 years in my league...
i need 48 points or basically 9's and 10's in every single hitting category....

is this strategy possible??? i wouldnt even be able to draft top availible closers, i would have to get 2 more hitting studs, including a base stealer.


Don't tank two categories in roto... don't even tank 1... you can be middle-of-the-pack in a couple of categories and be OK. Just use a slightly lesser version of your idea - get a couple of decent mid-round starters, get 3 mid-level closers, and get 2-3 setup guys late in the draft. You'll still do fine in ERA, WHIP and saves - and your setup guys will help fill in for saves and wins based on circumstances. As suggested earlier, you can also flow in waiver wire pitchers based on matchups. You will likely finish low in wins (3-4 points) and middle of the pack in Ks (5-6 points), but near the top in saves, ERA, and WHIP. That will give you a bit of breathing room in your hitting categories.
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Postby EugeneStyles » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:34 pm

NYBonkerz wrote:in the league that im trying to use this strategy, we dont have a min innings pitched limit.


I meant maximum IP limit. Your MR's will give you good W/9 and K/9, but if you don't come close to the max IP limit, you won't compete in W and K.
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