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Postby jcobb79 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:39 am

In standard 5X5 is a Stud setupman worth more than Crappy Closer
when trying to fill out a roster?
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Postby Simulacrum » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:48 am

Depends on the rest of your roster, the crappiness of the closer, and the studliness of the reliever.

Personally I usually carry at least one stud reliever in 5x5. They're good for ratios, K's, and the occasional win or save. I would prefer to have a stud set-up man who is next in line for the closer slot over a bottom of the barrel closer, to be sure.
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Postby jcobb79 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:05 pm

Thanks for the thought I am in a 15 team mixed 5X5 league that starts 9 pitchers with a 1400 max innings pitched by my calculations that means I should probably have a 5 man starting rotation (5X200IP=1000 innings) and 4 RP at approx 100 IP each. Thus i am going to try and get 1 stud closer (Mo, BJ Ryan, Nathan), one lower tier closer on the cheap (Fuentes, Lidge) and then fill in with top notch Setup guys and guys that are in line to take over closer rolls (Otsuka, Zumaya, Shields, M.Gonzalez). Is this the best strategy should I go with 6 SP i am pretty sure i will go over the Max IP if i do that am i correct?
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Postby stumpak » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:09 pm

JCobb, I play in a similar format. Trust me, all of those guys will not get you to a 1400 IP limit. My limit is 1250 and I have to work to hit it. Pitchers drop like flies due to injury, and 6 starters will probably get you no more than 900 innings give or take and possibly a lot less. If you like to sit a pitcher occasionally due to match-ups, the problem only gets worse.

So my point is that stud MRs becoem very valauble in this format. They eat up innings that you would otherwise have to assign to a very marginal SP who will kill your WHIP, ERA and K rate.
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Postby jlm53089 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:33 pm

honestly i brather have a broxton then a wickamn this year.
and possibly grap soriano or zumaya
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:41 pm

Absolutely rather have a Broxton, Zumaya or Shields over McClung. If it's daily changes I'd rather have 2 or 3 guys like that.
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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:14 pm

The Loveable Losers wrote:Absolutely rather have a Broxton, Zumaya or Shields over McClung. If it's daily changes I'd rather have 2 or 3 guys like that.


Not to defend McClung too much but people are looking at his numbers and saying no way. But as a closer last year he was pretty good. He only blew 1 save in his tour relieving. He has multiple pitches and a triple digit heater. Personally, I'd rather have McClung over guys like Weathers, Dempster, & Torres right now.
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Postby mrobinson » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 pm

i can deal with up to 2 but any more than for mid relief and you are taking up too much roster space.

my main target this year is broxton, other guys that have been good recently are zumaya and def. shields and linnebrink.

i know there is another really good one out there but i cant think of who it is. im talking sub 2.3 era, sub 1.00 whip and a k per inning. but few saves. anyone?
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:29 pm

Last year Zumaya and Shields accumulated more value than 7 closers with over 30 saves, including Jenks' 41, in 5 x 5 12 team roto.
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Postby mrobinson » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:32 pm

found it.

pat neshek: 37 ip, 4 wins, 0 saves, 53 Ks, 2.19 era, 0.78 WHIP.
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