bellings wrote:ukrneal wrote:And I cannot agree in any sense that Johan should be on this list today. If he gets injured and his career tanks, he never cracks the list. He'll be one of many pitchers who had a few good years and then disappeared. He certainly has the talent to do so however, and I expect to eventually see him at some time in the future.
I'll agree with you if you can name for me a couple pitchers that have put together a dominating stretch like Johan but aren't some of the best all time. So far, pitchers with similar streaks are Pedro, Rocket, and the Big Unit.
Except their streaks were better than Johan's and over much larger periods. That's what makes them considered in the elite.
Johan has 3 seasons as a starter and a career high ERA+ is 182 in 2004. Pedro has 5 seasons better than Johan's best, Maddux has 4, RJ has 4, and Clemens has 3. Johan not only hasn't been playing long enough to be considered in the same category as those guys he hasn't even been good enough in the years he has played.
He has been roughly as good as Roy Oswalt. Do you consider Oswalt to be one of the greatest ever right now?