The Cow wrote:Crisp signed that extension shortly after joining the Sox, which would give the Sox 4 years of Crisp, 26,27,28 and 29. Those are 4 prime years. Now Crisp is more likely to get back to his 2005 form where he posted a .810 OPS, nothing great, but better than anything Marte has done at the big league level. Now if we look at Crisp being 27 this year there is a good chance he posts a higher OPS than .810, but again you need to factor in that Crisp will steal about 20 bags or so. As far as Crisp being a high cost player, I don't see it, 3 years 15.5 mil is cheap in this market. One reason Crisp was traded was that he would not sign an extension with the Tribe. It should be noted that the Tribe signed David Dellucci to a 3 year 11.5 mil deal and they have Jason Michaels signed for, not sure here, but I believe around 4 mil. Those 2 are to platoon in left and I believe Michaels and Dellucci combined make more than Crisp. Yes the Tribe obtained a cheap 3B, but they had one in Kouz they just did not know it. San Diego thinks Kouz is good enough to start and I am on record as saying that I would rather have Kouz over Marte. So the Tribe didn't save any money on this deal when you consider they had to trade for Michaels and sign Dellucci to replace Crisp and they could start Kouz instead of Marte. I would much rather have Kouz and Crisp than MArte and Dellucci/Michaels.
Since when is a 3 year 15.5 mil a big money deal for the Red Sox??
I am going to have to add that Marte did not outperform Crisp last year when you factor in Crisps SBs or do you not count those?
Crisp was hurt last year, lets see how he does this year. As for Marte, I guess youth is his excuse. I have said in the past that Marte should post a higher OPS in his career than Crisp because Crisp is not a power guy he may hit 20 HRs, but thats about it. Crisp brings the dimension of speed which you fail to acknowledge and the ability to play CF, a position where speed is needed. Crisp could very well hit 20 HRs and steal 20 bags. Marte is more of a 30 HR 0 SB guy. Crisp should have the higher BA, Marte the higher OBP. When comparing these two players you must acknowledge the speed factor.
Continuing yet another hopeless effort to educate my friend...
Last year, for the 1.5 million it cost the Indians to have Michaels, they got an OPS of 87. Crisp cost 2.75 million and posted an OPS of 80.
The Tribe lost that short term deal in what way?
Over the longer term, the Tribe intends to play Dellucci full time in LF, with Michaels as a 4th OF and possible platoon partner. Dellucci will cost 4 million less than Crisp, and even if you have to count a portion of Michaels salary in that, it ain't going to amount to a lot more 4 million over 3 years. At most, financially, the Indians pay out a bit more, and if they play DD full-time it's a 4 million savings.
Performance wise, let's be generous and assume that based on age Crisp will improve 5 percent each of the next 3 years, while DD will decline 5 percent. Current Marcel OPS predictions for 2007-2009 with those age adjustments are:
Crisp: 102, 103, 104
DD: 115, 114, 110
Less money, better predicted performance.
The Tribe lose that exchange in what way?
Kozmanoff is a 25 year old player. Last year, in limited at bats at MLB, he performed even worse than Marte did as a 22 year old, while in limited ABs in AAA he outperformed Marte. Prior to last year here are these two players with their minor league performances adjusted to major league EQA to control for park and league effects:
At age 19: Marte .280 KK NA
at age 20: Marte .266 KK NA
At age 21: Marte .276 KK .232
At age 22: Marte NA KK .265
At age 23: Marte NA KK .284
At age 24: Marte NA KK NA
Marte is a younger and steadier performer, but may have plateaued early. Kouzmanoff appears to have shown more development, but it could also be the fact that he is an older guy playing against younger competition. Right now both players appear to be at similar levels, but Marte is younger, thus more likely to make another big leap in his development. Both players cost the same.
This one is more uncertain, but I can't fault the Tribe for going with the guy who has the higher upside and costs no more than KK.
So, again, overall, how did the Tribe lose on this deal?