greenandgold wrote:The thing is, how do you get a good pitcher, and will a good pitcher stay good throughout the season?
The real problem is that it is difficult to find good pitchers in the draft but easier to find them on the WW.
I think that's it right there. It's hard to predict which pitchers will do well. That's why I do value hitters more than pitchers - it just seems that they're more consistent year-to-year.
dcskater619 wrote:JustAnotherYanksFan wrote:
make me discount the opinion. What does this mean anyway - hitters are more valuable then pitchers? In 5x5 there are 5 catagories for pitchers and 5 for hitters. For a majority of hitters I can find a pitcher worth more.
exactly... HOWEVER, a starting pitcher doesnt contribute to the category "saves," which makes hitters like pujols, beltran, soriano, etc.. far more valuable then ANY starting pitcher. thumbs.gif
A starting pitcher may not contribute saves, but you could also look at it this way: in a standard league, a position player is only responsible for 1/9 of your games, whereas an ace SP is responsible for between 1/5 and 1/6 of your total innings pitched. So in that sense, an ace SP carries actually carries more weight than an elite hitter.
Also, there's the fact that Ryan Howard doesn't contribute to SB. Does that make him any less valuable than Jason Bay? Of course not - he contributes a lot in the categories that he does contribute in, and that's what gives him value. So it doesn't matter if Santana gets 0 saves - as long as he's putting up elite numbers in ERA, WHIP, wins and K's, then he's capable of being as valuable as any hitter out there.
where did i say anything about ryan howard? and ur math made no sense at all..
I'm just using Howard as an example of a hitter who's worth a lot even though he doesn't contribute to all 5 categories. However, if you were trying to say that you value 5-category hitters in particular over SP, then I would repeat what greenandgold said - Soriano and Beltran aren't really positive contributers to average...not to mention that it's not too hard to understand the idea that a player who contributes more in fewer categories can be worth as much or more as a player who contributes less in more categories.
As for my math not making sense...I'm not sure I see how. An ace pitcher is responsible a greater proportion of your innings pitched than a hitter is for games played, and there are an equal number of hitting and pitching categories. So an ace pitcher is responsible for a greater proportion of your potential roto points than an elite hitter.
That's not to say that pitchers are automatically more valuable or that I'd even personally value them higher - there are other factors to take into account too, like consistency. But I just wanted to show that to say that hitters always are worth more because they can contribute to more categories just isn't true.