PlayingWithFire wrote:Unlike Vietnam, Option B really isn't an option now. Not because of "face" but because we basically screwed up the bases of the society in Iraq. And we need to get Iraq past the stage of chaos before we can pull out. What I was talking about is that W could have go through the usually(and slow, I'll say that) Diplomatic steps instead of rushing to war.
The problem is that you're saying this after the fact. You yourself agree that we cannot pull out now, yet you accuse Bush of "sticking to a bad idea". Can't have it both ways. Either you understand we have no choice but to stick to it and finish the job, or we should pull out.
And how can you fault Bush for not killing/capturing Osama? He didn't screw up the Afghanistan job that bad and it's not him but the troops that need to capture Osama, and it's an extremely tough job.
And saying we should carpet bomb Afghanistan is HORRIBLE
But I think you were joking anyway. Unless you truly believe a live of an American is worth at least 10 Afghanis(or whatever they are called) and there is no such thing as humanity in war time(if you can even consider Afghanistan a serious war, compare to Korea and Vietnam)
Yes, I fully blame Bush for not getting Osama, and no, I'm not joking about turning Afghanistan into a parking lot.
How about you tell me how much an innocent American life is worth? Tell the families and friends of those who died in the World Trade Center that their loved one's lives are not worth killing a few people in Afghanistan over.
This is not a war. This is a policing action more than it's a war. War is win at all costs, do whatever needs to be done no matter what politics or public opinion is, and protect the country at all costs. This isn't a war at all. Not even close.
Acidrock, I'm not sure what you said has anything to do with what I said about Kerry. Sure, Bush went in to save face since he came off looking like a major pansy by dropping the ball with Osama, and weakened the country severely by not doing what he should have done. Sure he blew some smoke up the butts of those who were too weak stomached to see a military strike to remove an evil dictator, without crying out about how wrong they thought it was. He had to say something to appease those weak stomached people who yelled, screamed, and protested when he wanted to go after the man responsible for the attack on our own civilians on our own soil. These people couldn't even let him protect our country when we were under direct attack, so of course he blew some smoke when it came to the exact reasoning as to why we went into Iraq. I don't disagree with you at all on that. However, my point was that Kerry has done nothing but blow smoke each and every single time he's said something. Everything he says is dependent on what the polls say. The man does not have enough guts inside of himself to tell us exactly what his opinions are and where he stands on the issues. That kind of flip flopping would result in an extremely large problem, where the Girl Scouts and their Nerf guns take over the country.
Lofunzo wrote:I would also say that, because he served, he might be better able to see a bogus war when 1 exists. I am not even getting into whether I think that it is or isn't a "good war". I am just saying that someone that has served in the military is more qualified to make that determination.
A war would have to be going in order for him to be able to see a bogus one.
This isn't war, it's a policing action.
However, I've never said a word about this being a good "war". I've always said Bush went in to remove an evil dictator who had evil plans, and the means, money, and ability to make those evil plans come true. Has Bush dropped the ball again? Sure. No disagreement here. What would Kerry have done? Who knows, the man doesn't have enough guts to tell us, without consulting the polls first of course. That's my point.
Absolutely Adequate wrote:Anyone who read Kerry's speech can very clearly tell that it was indeed a botched joke
Even if people were to agree that he simply messed up a joke, are people not allowed to laugh at him or think less of him? Why not? Either he didn't read the speech ahead of time and wasn't prepared, or he wasn't smart enough to know what he was saying it when he said it. Either way, it still doesn't make him look good at all. People want someone who doesn't know what he's saying when he says it to be the one in charge of security for the entire country?
Thanks, but I'll pass.
By the way, has Kerry apologized yet? I would think he has, but I'm a little behind and the last thing I heard was a CNN report that it had been 24 hours since the mistake and Kerry still hadn't apologized yet.
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....