Dawgpound 1613 wrote:You obviously don't undertsand the concept of a double standard. When one group can make disparaging remarks about another group, and the reverse is not true, that is a double standard. A double standard exists within a specific class, such as race, when whites get fired for saying negative things about blacks but the reverse is not true. A double standard exists if a heterosexual (regardless of race) says derogatory things about homossexuals (regardless of race) and gets punished and not vice versa.
You obviously don't understand the point I made. I said quite clearly that a double standard exists. But, it's not the one you and others claim. The double standard is that people with power and leverage--whether they are black, white, Asian, homosexual, or heterosexual---can say these things and not pay nearly as high aprice as those without power. Black power without power who make insensitive comments about whites, Asians, homosexuals, etc. lose their job, just like white power without power.
Dawgpound 1613 wrote:And, BTW, Reggie White (a heterosexual) did not make comments about whites - his were about gays - another minority group. But nice try, though. The examples I gave were of negative comments about race that went unpunished. Again - double standard.
Actually, White made comments about race and homosexuality:
"White said he has thought about why God created different races. Each race has certain gifts, he said.
Blacks are gifted at worship and celebration, White said.
"If you go to a black church, you see people jumping up and down because they really get into it," he said.
Whites are good at organization, White said.
"You guys do a good job of building businesses and things of that nature, and you know how to tap into money," he said.
"Hispanics were gifted in family structure, and you can see a Hispanic person, and they can put 20, 30 people in one home."
The Japanese and other Asians are inventive, and "can turn a television into a watch," White said. Indians are gifted in spirituality, he said. "
If you really want to pretend that there's a difference between racial stereotyping and ethnic, gender, sexuality, etc. sterotyping, be my guest. It's all the same, and it goes unpunished when the speaker has power.
Dawgpound 1613 wrote:And naming radio DJs. Wow. Is that all you can find? Answer, yes. But I admit my statement was too broad and I was discussing just the sports world. But great, you found two outside the sports world - and neither of which involved insensitive comments about whites, but I guess you have to scrape the barrel when trying to prove a point. I guess I should not say "no examples" and just state "very few examples". However, if we're going to leave the sports world, do you want me to go find the names of the much higher number of individuals regardless of profession? My original proposition stands.
Not sure why radio DJs get dissed and sports announcers are held in such high regard. I'd say that's a nice double standard.
And how many cases of minority groups making insensitive comments about whites have you offered? Several of the ones you have offered--like Guillen--are not even about whites.
It just doesn't happen all that often, because there are so few who get the opportunity.
Dawgpound 1613 wrote:And, if you think it has to do with position or power, you're kidding yourself. Barkley/Gumble and Lyons/Jimmy the Greek/Limbaugh are/were sports broadcasters. None had more/less power than the other, yet the latter group was fired and the former group was not. The same goes for Baker/Guillen vs. Campanis (and some would argue the latter has more power as GM, but also more "responsibility") and, again, the latter was fired while the former were not. Again, it is not the person's position. If so, had the colors been reveresed and Costas (much more "power" than Gumble) made a negative statement about blacks, you think he'd still have his job?
You clearly have no clue what power is. Gumbel is one of the most powerful announcers in media. Lyons and the Greek were NOTHING. Limbaugh has a ton of power in radio, but in his MNF gig he was the ultimate replaceable part. Dump Rush, bring in Miller. Dump Miller, bring in Tony. He had no power in that situation.
Guillen was a hugely popular manager coming off a championship. Are you really arguing that things would not have played out differently if he was an unpopular manager on a team that had a few years of consecutive losing records?
Power ain't position.
And yes, if Costas made a remark, he'd be apologizing, but he'd keep his job.
Dawgpound 1613 wrote:
Lastly, a "double standard" does not require that one side always get punished while the other does not, just that different standards exist. Hence, the fact that Paterno (whose comments were about rape and offensive to NOW, not race) and Fisher DeBarry and Paul Hornung can make negative comments and "get away with it" does not change the fact that there was a lot more made of their comments than had a black coach or athlete made the same comments about white football players.
And, again, there's no difference between the different types of sterotyping, except the difference you want to try to imagine.
There is a double standard. You just aren't looking in the right place.