Madison wrote:True, if he stays hurt. At present, right this moment, Ortiz is the MVP. Just as a note, I've never owned Ortiz and I'm not a Sox fan, so it's not a bias thing either.
While I agree with you about MVP being independent from team, I don't think Ortiz can be MVP. He's not even the best at his "position", DH. Travis Hafner's numbers completely blow Ortiz' out of the water:
<pre> RC .AVG .OBP .SLG .OPS
Hafner 120 .307 .434 .643 1.077
Ortiz 105 .287 .400 .633 1.033</pre>
Hafner has driven in 19.95% (74 of 371) of the runners that have been on for him.
Ortiz has driven in 17.13% (74 of 432) of the runners that have been on for him.
All this while Hafner bats in a pitchers park, Ortiz in a hitters park, with Manny Ramirez as his protection.
If Ortiz isn't the most valuable at his own position, how can he be league MVP?
I didn't forget Hafner, and you make solid points on why he should be considered. Tack on the additional .21 in batting average, and your case gets even stronger.
Some of us old fuddy duddys still look at the normal basic numbers on top of everything else.
Don't ask me why, but since Hafner hadn't hit #40 at the time of my post, I didn't really look too deeply at him. All those grand slams helps his numbers quite a bit though.
Anyway, no argument here, especially now that Hafner did hit #40. Guess it will just have to wait and see how both finish up the season. Still plenty of games left to change opinions.
activechamp2006 wrote:thomas doesnt have better stats then dye, but he means more 2 his team when he plays is the point im bringing up.
jeter deserves some condsideration, but his team is always so stacked.. so he automatically gets taken out of the running for the mvp of their respective team.. thomas means more to the a's then jeter does to the yanks.. if jeter got traded the yanks would end up bringing in tejada or something, so no big loss..
Ah ok, I get you now. Your post was a little jumbled so I figured you were actually talking about the MVP award. If we're just talking about guys who are valuable to their team (meaning no award), I'll still stick with Dye. Not that Thomas hasn't been valuable to the A's, because he has been, it's just the differential in raw numbers is too different from Dye to Thomas for me to give a whole lot of value to Big Hurt.
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