Coppermine wrote:OK, I think I'd like to settle this one. The English language is not very coherent or absolute. There are lot of rules and such that are open to interpretation and exception. I think this is one of them. I don't know of anyone who has ever said they were ever "in" a plane. While you may technically be inside of it, for some reason you're on a plane just as you're "on" a boat.
My Madison's rationale, that is being "on" a boat (open air only) then if you go "on" a cruise, you're really "in" a cruise, because most of your time spent "on" a cruise ship is "in" a cabin. You'd have to change your English every time you talk about it, like, lets say there's a pool outside on the boat. Then you're "in" the pool while "on" the boat. But then you went to see a show while "on" the boat, which technically would make you "in" the boat because most shows that are performed during cruises are inside. It's ridiculous and not worth arguing over. People say "on" a plane and to say "in" a plane would sound far stupider (<--- not a word by the way).
You're way overthinking it. I simply pointed out that "on" a plane isn't correct, not really that big of a deal. Anyone ever been "on" a submarine underwater? Nope. People are "in" submarines underwater. Same difference.
Coppermine wrote:Also, I'm surprised my Madison's logical hatred for this movie, and such is the reason; applying a logical and rational approach to the perceived popularity of this movie already puts you at a disadvantage. This "film" defies logic. Snakes on a Plane is playing into the American zeitgeist of loving bad movies. Titanic was immensely popular and won awards, but that doesn't mean it didn't suck.
For me, there's a difference in dumb yet funny, and just plain dumb. For example the movie Dodgeball
was dumb, yet funny, while as Napoleon Dynamite
was just plain stupid. I see Snakes as being more of the Napoleon Dynamite variety (just plain dumb) than I do the Dodgeball variety (dumb, yet funny at times).
Oh, and I don't hate the movie. Never seen it, and most likely won't ever see it, so I cannot hate it without seeing it. Just because I think this movie is worthless, and going to make Americans look bad if it does well in the box office, doesn't mean I hate it. Dislike? Sure, I guess you can say that, but "hate" is a very strong word, and one I do not use very often.
Coppermine wrote:My biggest surprise though from Madison is that he's a WWE fan; professional wrestling, to me, is the most ridiculous and, dare I say, dumb forms of entertainment out there. It's absolutely absurd, with the complete and total staged matches with the yelling at each other and overly simplistic plotlines that insult my intelligence. Madison, what do you say to those who claim that wrestling is fake and that it's stupid... probably that it's simply a form of entertainment that you enjoy simply for what it is... yes, it's dumb, yes it's ridiculous, but it's still entertaining. And that's the point of the WWE... entertainment. Not hardcore fighting, competitive sportsmanship and "let the best man win." It's a show, that is incredibly stupid but has found its niche in society where a great many people enjoy it. And for that, I have nothing to argue about... I don't enjoy wrestling, but I can UNDERSTAND why it's popular.
The difference for me is that a lot of these wrestlers put in their blood, sweat, bodies, and tears into the business over 300 days a year. They put on a show for the crowd practically every night of the week. Just because it's only televised a couple of times a week, don't be fooled into thinking they only "work" a couple of months total each year.
Are the match endings predetermined? Yes. Are the matches themselves staged? No. Pretty big difference there. I'll use the Undertaker/Mankind (Mick Foley) Hell in a Cell match as a perfect example, and one that most people have at least heard about. When Taker threw Foley off the top of the cell, no one knew that was coming. No one, not even McMahon (the billionaire owner of the WWE!). It was not planned, it was not staged, it was spur of the moment and it was Foley's spur of the moment idea. Most matches are not scripted, or are very basically scripted for the newbies to the business.
Sometimes personal issues get into the storylines, like the whole thing with Lita being with Matt Hardy, and then cheating on him with Edge. That really happened in real life behind the scenes. The WWE brought it out and turned it into a storyline, but it was reality and there was some major bad blood over it, so you did not know what was going to happen next. Andre the Giant vs Hogan for the very first time? Anyone remember that? Andre refused to lose to Hogan, but McMahon convinced him it was best for the company if Hogan beat him, so Andre agreed to do it. Well, Hogan ended up running his mouth and upsetting Andre so bad that no one knew what was going to happen once they got in the ring, not even McMahon. Brett Hart/Shawn Michaels screwjob? That wasn't a storyline either. That was real life. Hart was leaving, so when Sean got him in the sharpshooter (Submission hold), McMahon ran down, made them ring the bell, and announced that Hart had tapped out (quit). Real life, no storyline. Hart was scripted to win that match! How about the Goldberg/Lesnar bust at Wrestlemania? Goldberg's last WWE match as his contract expired after Wrestlemania, and Brock was leaving after the match to play pro football. Anything could have happened in that match as once the final bell had rung, they were done with the company. Turned out to be a huge bust of a match, but anything, and I do mean anything could have happened right there. Currently there's a Mick Foley/Ric Flair rivalry going, and there's bad blood behind the scenes there too. They fight at the Pay-Per-View Sunday night, and it should be interesting to see what happens since they do not like each other at all. It's not all that unusual to see a real fight, or real punches/kicks thrown due to the bad blood, so sometimes you really don't know what's going to happen.
Toss in the random unscripted injuries, and there's quite a few interesting reasons to watch. I saw Sid Viscious break his fibula and tibula while jumping off the turnbuckle (I have it on tape as a matter of fact). Foot just lopping around at weird angles. I saw Steve Austin get dropped on his head during a piledriver gone wrong, and break his neck. I saw Triple H snap his quad mid-match and fight through the pain to finish the match. Just a few of many, many injuries that are unscripted, yet happen during the matches.
Not to mention the malfunction that caused Owen Hart to no longer be with us. RIP Owen.
I'm not the type of fan who sits and cheers and boos all the time, but I do watch and enjoy wrestling. There's just a whole lot more to it than non-watchers realize, and it leads to quite a few misconceptions.
Coppermine wrote:Snakes on a Plane is the same thing. It's ridiculous and dumb. It's not supposed to be high art or witty cinema. It's plot and marketing are beyond absurdity and it's playing that angle up to gain support. People want to see this, not because they're dying to know what would happen if snakes were ever on a plane... they just want to see what the hype is about... Samuel L Jackson, one of the most ridiculous actors of our time, in one of the most ridiculously titled and marketed movies in my memory. It's playing into the "it's entertaining because it's ridiculous" market, which as a wrestling fan Madison, you happen to be a part of.
Snakes is totally different than wrestling, as I showed above.
Jackson has done some strange movies, but I wouldn't classify him as the "most ridiculous" actor of our time. He played good and solid roles in several movies such as XXX
, A Time to Kill
, Deep Blue Sea
, Rules of Engagement
, and The Negotiator
just off the top of my head.
Anyway, I just see this movie being too stupid to be funny. *Shruggs shoulders*.
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....