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IllinoisBandit wrote:Fact: There are less than 15 million Jews in the world today, compared to over 2 billion Christians and 1 billion Islamic.
There's a large portion of the world that truly believes Isreal has no right to exist and how much longer they willingly allow it to is definately in question.
Isreal would be wise to take the high road in all situations. They have a right to defend their borders, sure, but they also have much different circumstances and obligations than most nations. They're certainly not making any new friends in the nieghborhood.
IllinoisBandit wrote:They're certainly not making any new friends in the nieghborhood.
Absolutely Adequate wrote:Both sides are in the wrong here, I think. It's hard to wrap your mind around what's happened.
1. Hezbollah, during "Operation Truthful Promise," killed 8 Israeli soldiers and captured two more. During this time, they also indescriminately lobbed missles into a couple of towns in Israel. It was called "OTP" because the Hezbollah leader had promised to get 3 prisoners back from Israel.
2. Israel responded by threatening to send Lebanon back 20 years.
3. The Lebanese government said they had no knowledge of the attacks and condemned it.
4. On July 13th, Israel dropped some bombs and killed 2 civilians. No soldiers were killed.
5. On July 14th, Israel bombed quite a few more places in Lebanon, killing 60 civilians.
6. It goes on like this.
7. Last week, Israel bombed a bridge that cut off 100,000 civilians from food and medical supplies.
8. The EU and the United Nations have condemned Israel for their disproportionate response to the attack.
Israel has a right to defend themselves, but not to inflict needless death on a population for simply living near suspected Hezbollah hideouts.
That this will lead us even closer to WWIII - a battle between Muslim nations and the West. Neither side seems entirely right or entirely wrong here. That's why this is so tricky. It's not like the fight against the Nazis where you know immediately which side is doing wrong. It seems to me that extremists have some control of the government of both Israel and Lebanon and neither side wants to rest until they get all-out war.
I've been glad this hasn't been discussed yet. But I do think you need to distrust anyone who says either side is completely in the right in this case.
(A student (Larry) in my class sucker punched another boy (Darryl). So Darryl knocked Larry out. While Larry lay there unconscious, Darryl kept kicking Larry. Broke his ribs. Kicked him in the face. Went after his mother.
Who is right in this situation? Nobody.
TheRock wrote:Well, you've conveniently left off all that which preceded item 1 in your list - countless terrorist attacks against Israel from enemies who've made it their life purpose to destroy the "Zionist infidels."
Absolutely Adequate wrote:TheRock wrote:Well, you've conveniently left off all that which preceded item 1 in your list - countless terrorist attacks against Israel from enemies who've made it their life purpose to destroy the "Zionist infidels."
So if my student has been bullied before by others, he's free to overreact now?
I don't buy it.
African-Americans have been attacked, denigrated, and abused in the US since the beginning of the country. Is it OK for them to now kill the next racist to call them ******? Or do you think they should respond appropriately - some force but not overkill?
The problem isn't Israel's defending itself. The problem is that Israel crossed a line from defending themselves to indescriminately killing civilians.
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