StlSluggers wrote: mikhayl wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:I never said the Republicans "supported the workers." I just said the Democrats truly don't if something like an estate tax exemption would derail it.
We'll see in 2008 when the Democrats are a lot closer to a majority in both houses just how untrue that is. I can almost guarantee they'll propose legislation increasing the minimum wage without piggy-backing some special interest crap onto it.
But that doesn't change the fact that when it's come down to a choice between pro-poor or anti-rich, they chose the latter. If they truly were on the side of the "working American," then they would pass this now. Why?
- As AA was kind enough to point out earlier, how often are the Republicans ever going to agree to a increase min. wage jump?
- Can the Dems say for certain that they will have enough power to make this bill happen in the near-term without some concession to the Republicans?
- Most importantly, if poor people really have it so bad right now, and if the Dems are so adamantly on their side, don't the Dems need to pass this now? I mean, can poor people really afford to wait and hope that the Dems will have enough power to pass this without Republican support?
This turn of events shows that the Dems would rather see rich people not get richer than see poor people get the help they say they need so badly.
And I don't know if I need to say this, but I wish this bill would have passed in its current form. I don't care for minimum wage, but if it's going to happen, I'd like to see it happen in some sort of compromise like this bill where each side is giving something up. After all, isn't that the goal of the political process?
Holy crap! I feel like I'm reading a transcript from the O'Reilly Factor!
Neither party is about compromise, don't you realize that?
First of all, I think that a minimum wage hike is inevitable; throughout the history of the united states, minimum wage has gone up at some point regardless of the party in power.
Now the democrats bringing up the minimum wage issue is the EXACT SAME as the Republicans bringing up gay marriage and flag burning. It's a way to pander to your base, to make the most staunchly left/right wing people know that you're on their side (as a politician). This, in spite of the fact that you are almost certain it won't pass.
Yes, the democrats' whole thing is "helping the poor," we know. But the Republicans were more than aware that almost all democrats do not, and will never support the estate tax repeal. So what a perfect little game to play in order to make the democrats look bad. It's politics, not about what side cares about who.
It makes even less sense to me because the whole republican defense AGAINST raising minimum wage is that it will cause workers to lose jobs and hurt the poor anyway.
To me, this is what the Republicans are saying "ok, ok, we'll FLIP FLOP on this issue of minimum wage, even though we keep saying it will hurt the poor more than help them, but, you have to help the wealthy too! And if you don't agree, like we know you won't, we can make dumb America think that you would rather hurt the rich than help the poor."
Come on, this is just politics. Both sides pull crap like this all the time. Since the democrats are the minority party, they can't piggyback their own agendas on bills like this.
No, this wasn't about compromise... it was the political strategy of Bill Frist and Rick Santorum trying to help their party by introducing a bill they knew full well that the democrats would never sign onto, and then spun it to make them look bad. If you really can't see that, I can hardly believe... no matter what party you belong to.
If you're a battery, you're either working or you're dead....