1337_Dude wrote:The Artful Dodger wrote:Watch the old ECW matches, namely, RVD vs. Jerry Lynn, primarily Living Dangerously '99 and Hardcore Heaven '99. I think RVD is either past his prime or his style is rather out of whack with what the WWE currently employs or that the quality of opponent isn't as good as a Jerry Lynn or a Lance Storm. I believed back when WWE hired RVD five years ago, that he isn't a fit for WWE and he'll never be that way. RVD normally uses chairs in his arsenal, has some high-flying moves that WWE generally will allow to only some extent, and back in ECW, he had an expanded arsenal. He even had a Mexican Surfboard where after a while, he would lift the opponent in the air, and drop his opponent, with the back of the head/neck area smacking a steel chair. RVD also used occassional power and submission moves at times. In ECW, RVD had more liberty to do what he wanted in the ring, and the same goes for other ECW workers and you'll see that in indies like ROH, CZW, and TNA. But WWE is too structured. Even Sabu will never be a fit in the WWE style.
You also have to understand that ECW fans treated RVD as if he were the Hulk Hogan of the promotion. He would have long introductions where he'd be simply high-fiving fans and it would take like at times, 10 minutes. Before an ECW event, the house would be packed 2 hours beforehand just chanting "RVD! RVD!" You kind of have to be an ECW mark to understand or get into the hubbub of what RVD is all about.
RVD used to put on some great matches, but now when you watch him he's a shell of what he used to be. I think his years of smoking have finally gotten to him. He'll gas way to early in the matches and that combined with his lack of a move set makes for some pretty disappointing matches. Of course, I was never the worlds biggest RVD fan. I was always more of a fan of Sandman, Tazz, and the Eliminators.
I think a lot of it has to do with RVD adapting to the WWE style which has attributed to some sloppiness on his part in the ring. Not only that, RVD was always used to wrestling matches that didn't have commercial breaks in between and with a strict time limit of having to cram everything into 2 hours. But even the PPV matches seem rather rushed. I'd like to see RVD in more 20 minute bouts, but apparently, at this stage of his career, that could be asking quite a lot from him.
I've always liked Sandman, but more or less from a character standpoint and his long-standing feud with Raven, which was a classic ECW rivalry, even though Raven and Tommy Dreamer is the longest-running and more famous of the two. Taz was awesome too, back as the Human Suplex Machine and the whole FTW gimmick. Eliminators were cool too (like their finishing move the best), but I liked the Gangstas and the Dudley Boyz the best when it came to permanent tag teams, although I was a huge mark for RVD and Sabu when they teamed up.