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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:46 pm
by The Miner Part 2
The Loveable Losers wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:these pitchers gotta standup for thier guys and they keep failing.


I think they're trying to stand up for their teammates...that's the scary part. ;)


ha, you may be right. :-o

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:48 pm
by The Miner Part 2
Apollo wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:where are you guys getting this suspended nonsense? there was no warning, if garland would have done his job and hit the guy, the ump then would have issued a warning and then the story would have been over. but no our freaking pitchers cant hit anyone when our offense seems to get hit every other day. these pitchers gotta standup for thier guys and they keep failing.


Padilla's HBP was clearly unintentional. If Ozzie had just kept his mouth shut, then the story would have gone away.


he hit three guys to us hitting none. he plunked aj twice intentionally and had no retaliation. it doesnt matter if it was intentional or not the last time, they had to retaliate, that's just baseball.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:55 pm
by buminabox
The guy makes his share of mistakes, and some of the things he does are downright stupid. But when it is all said and done, the guy can straight up manage. I'd rather have a manager who ocasionally crosses the line but manages well like Ozzie, than an incomptent manager who never gets in trouble.

Thats just my opinion, nobodys perfect.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:14 pm
by Splendid61
Ozzie is the type of guy that is incapable of learning. Take his 16-year playing career as an example, the most walks he drew in a season is 26.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:17 pm
by DK
You want to know the best way to retaliate?

Winning the game.

Pain is temporary. The number in the L column burns.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:21 pm
by Apollo
The Miner Part 2 wrote:he hit three guys to us hitting none. he plunked aj twice intentionally and had no retaliation. it doesnt matter if it was intentional or not the last time, they had to retaliate, that's just baseball.


The AJ beanings were in the past. You make it sound like he hit your guys three times in the same game. In reality, Padilla was pitching normally and had one get away. The White Sox did NOT have to retaliate, and that's NOT just baseball. It shouldn't be baseball, and it has nothing to do with baseball.

Once again, Ozzie and Buck Showalter are letting their longstanding feud put their players in danger. In this case, Buck appeared to let it go, with no incidents happening all series, but Ozzie jumped on his first chance to throw at the opposing team's players.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:30 pm
by go_jays_go
DK wrote:You want to know the best way to retaliate?

Winning the game.

Pain is temporary. The number in the L column burns.


Amen. Ozzie is a fool. :-°

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:59 pm
by The Miner Part 2
go_jays_go wrote:
DK wrote:You want to know the best way to retaliate?

Winning the game.

Pain is temporary. The number in the L column burns.


Amen. Ozzie is a fool. :-°


that's comical. shea hillenbrand says high btw. ;-7

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:12 pm
by Junkie Cosmonaut
Apollo wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:he hit three guys to us hitting none. he plunked aj twice intentionally and had no retaliation. it doesnt matter if it was intentional or not the last time, they had to retaliate, that's just baseball.


The AJ beanings were in the past. You make it sound like he hit your guys three times in the same game. In reality, Padilla was pitching normally and had one get away. The White Sox did NOT have to retaliate, and that's NOT just baseball. It shouldn't be baseball, and it has nothing to do with baseball.

Once again, Ozzie and Buck Showalter are letting their longstanding feud put their players in danger. In this case, Buck appeared to let it go, with no incidents happening all series, but Ozzie jumped on his first chance to throw at the opposing team's players.


Its umpires that are not supposed to remember the past, not ball players and managers

And with each and every keystroke you use to tell us that this it is not baseball, just shows how much you really don't know about the game. You might not like it, but it is very much baseball and the way the game should be and is played.


As for the guy that said Garland wouldn't be suspended. I wouldn't count on that being the case. Ozzie spoke candidly, as usual, about how if something happened, people were going down.

All MLB has to do is go back to that quote to find probable cause for the purpose pitch and suspend him

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:15 pm
by Apollo
And with each and every keystroke you use to tell us that this it is not baseball, just shows how much you really don't know about the game. You might not like it, but it is very much baseball and the way the game should be and is played.


First of all, it always amazes me when people pop out of nowhere on the Internet and tell people they don't know anything about baseball (or movies, or music, or whatever). Who are you? I have no beef with you. You're taking this one post that I made on a Monday afternoon and analyzing it in a vacuum to tell me I know nothing about a very nuanced sport? We've never even engaged in a conversation! :-b

As for the actual content, yes I am aware that beanballs are an unfortunate part of baseball as currently played. But it's not part of the game itself, and it shouldn't be. I played on little league teams and in pickup games where people managed not to fling balls at each other, but these grown men in the most regulated form of the sport can't do it? Please.

Beanballs hurt people, and that's all there is to it. You probably have five guys in the majors each year that break a bone when they're hit by a pitch. It happens accidentally, sure, and that's unfortunate, but intentionally throwing at people is asking for injuries.

And just what has all this retaliation gotten Ozzie, anyway? He makes his team throw at people, and they throw back. Violence begets violence. Is he "protecting" his team by encouraging retaliation from other teams? He has a reputation now as a manager that forces his pitchers to hit batters, and now whenever the Sox hit a player they'll be getting hit right back. He's putting his players and the other team's players at risk, and that's wrong.

Junkie Cosmonaut wrote:Its umpires that are not supposed to remember the past, not ball players and managers


What? Of course they should remember the past, but that doesn't mean they can't put it behind them. Ozzie could think objectively about things, realize that hmm, just maybe Padilla wouldn't be dumb enough to plunk a guy with a runner on and no outs, and let it go. But that's not Ozzie's style; he's flying off the handle, demanding retaliation and hurting his team.

At this point, Ozzie has threatened players from the other team and admitted to ordering his pitchers to throw at them. If MLB had any concerns about protecting its players (and multi-million dollar investments), they would suspend him for a game or two right now.