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I agree with pretty much everything you said with the exception of Lester.I think Olsen has much better stuff( have both).Lester just plays on a much better teamrmande09 wrote:I have Extra Innings as well (great package) and have seen Verlander, Cain, Olsen, and Liriano a lot. Every time I've seen Cain he sits between 93-95 and tops at 97-98. His two-seam is around 92-93. I never said his change was a plus-pitch, I said it was slightly above-average. It is slowly improving as he gains confidence in it. His fastball and curveball are both strikeout pitches and ++.
If Cain had control, he would be excellent. He holds opposing hitters to a .219 average, can strike guys out, and keeps the ball in the park (minus 4 in one start). He's just 21 and has more than a good shot of developing good control.
In 5 years, I'd say the best 5 pitchers from this class will be Liriano, Verlander, Cain, King Felix, and Lester.
I think you are dead wrong.Olsen has a nasty slider and a sick change.Olsen also get its up between 94-95.Lester works between 90-92. Olsens pitches are all better than Lesters.Lester does not throw a slider and his curveball is really nothing great its just good.Lester just plays behind a championship team and one of the best Ds in baseball.I have both so I am really not biased.Lester stuff just really does not impress mermande09 wrote:I may be slightly biased, but I think Lester is much better. His fastball is better, his slider/cutter is very good, he has an excellent curveball, and his changeup is a good show-me pitch. I think Lester is a better pitcher, both have similar stuff except Lester has a plus-curveball.
Not a fan of Reyes or Weaver and Zumaya will be a closer.rmande09 wrote:In all actuality, the fifth spot will probably be between Hamels, Billingsley, Zumaya, Reyes, and Weaver.
rmande09 wrote:As a baseball "guru" and a guy who seems to know quite a bit about prospects, how exactly do you not know what "stuff" means? It is a very common term used to describe a pitchers repertoire - the pitches he throws - and how successful they are. It is a combination of velocity, movement, and how each pitch complements the rest of his repertoire.
You've never heard an announcer say, "he has great stuff today," or "his stuff isn't really there today"?
I really don't think it was necessary for you to be rude to me about it. I'm sorry that it is a VERY common term, I had no idea that you had actually never heard of it.
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