ThatDude wrote:DK wrote:ThatDude wrote:The reason why is the same as it was for Kent, Biggio, and Glavine. I think the HoF is being polluted with too many marginal players, and I don't like it. I wouldn't mind if they closed the books completely for a while actually.
You're more than welcome to try to change my opinion on him. I do try to keep an open mind, but you've got an uphill battle, and listing career stats isn't going to get the job done. Of this current string of HoF topics, Bagwell would be last one I would vote for.
Showing you statistics won't sway you? Well gosh darn. I won't let those tricky "stats", which were probably invented by a computer to twist my view on baseball so I can only see a beautiful "ground ball with eyes" creep through the middle as a mere 1B, or "single", or whatever those ridiculous computers quantify a hitter getting on first by way of contact with bat and ball.
I'm sorry that rational thought and actual production on a baseball field won't sway you.
And the bolded section is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Play in this era, and you can't possibly be one of the greatest, so we're going to shut you out. Sorry RJ, Bonds, Maddux, Pedro, Sosa, Clemens. I'm gonna pull a leaf out of Ozzie's book and say "You want to be in the HoF? Play harder in your next life."
What's the difference between me looking up the stats and you typing them out? Nothing. So why would that change my opinion in the least?
Nowhere did I say those players would be shut out (although I've stated where I stand on Pedro in another thread, the Biggio one I think). Closing the doors for 5-6 years wouldn't do anything to erase what they've done, and they would get in when the doors reopened.
What the heck is the point of closing the doors then? It wouldn't accomplish anything other than delaying the inevitable.
Plus if you close the doors, when you re-open them there would be a huge rush to add players which may result in MORE players being added than if you'd just left them open the whole time.
And you still have given no reasons why Bagwell should be left out.