CubsFan7724 wrote: wrveres wrote:
In 2002 the Cubs got 33 starts out of Kerry Wood, and 19 starts out of Prior (more than 1/2 the season), 16 starts out of Zambrano and a career year out of Clement, and still managed to finish 30 games out of first and 27 games below .500 ..
so it must have been the addition of Kenny Lofton, and Dusty Baker just got lucky winning 8 seasons in a row ...
I'm sorry, I stand corrected again.
Zambrano and Prior were summer call-up rookies that year after the Cubs were well out of playoff competition...
You are probably this forum's best troll. Baseball, politics, Bonds threads, you are a triple threat!
lol @ troll .. ah sweetness you have been missed.
I realize that Zambrano was a 2nd half call up, but I am pretty sure that Prior was called up before the break.
Sweetness wrote: Wrveres, actual Cubs fans have always wanted a winning product, and you want to know when the Cubs were supposed to be a yearly contendner? 2003, when we paid big money for Dusty Baker to be a yearly contender. That season only heightened expectations. Dusty, for this year, has pretty much deserved all the malice, because he has gotten absolutely nothing out of this team.
This hatred towards Dusty did not begin just this year. It started about the same time he unpacked his toothpicks. All one has to do is search these very forums to see that.
Styles wrote:Of course, the lineup looks a lot worse when you drop D. Lee, or put in Neifi and Hairston every other day. Or when your players seem to have no idea where the ball is, or how many outs there are, or what to do when a ball is in play. Blame Dusty for that.
As I said before, there is not a doubt in my mind that Dusty has quit. And to be honest, who can blame him. I mean just look at this thread alone, you have Cubs fans mad at him because he will not call his players out in public, and that is putting it mildly as to what we usually read around here.
I bet if we took a poll of the cafe, in excess of 75 % of the people in here would blame Dusty for Mark Prior and Kerry Wood's injuries. And another 50% would call Dusty an arm killer when in fact he has killed none. I have asked many times through out the years here, for someone in here to show me one starting pitcher that Dusty destroyed prior to him going to the Cubs. And to date no one has brought forward one ounce of evidence.
I just have a lot of difficulty believing that a manager can rattle off 8 winning season in a row, win two manager of the year awards, go entire seasons with out sending a starting pitcher to the DL, and then he gets to Chicago and wham ..
He is a bumbling idiot that could not find water in a lake, and is a notorious arm killer ..
I am not buying it .. sorry.