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flying27 wrote:McGowan was never coming up this week, that is a lie. If he was coming up he would have been called up, he wasnt since he was never coming up. Dont start telling lies in a desperate attempt to prove your point. I would bet you $500 McGowan wont be a regular in the majors anywhere(he will be traded by then, probably multiple times)until atleast 2011.
kimchi_chigae wrote:I have also read about McGowan being called up to start on Thursday against KC, but as weir already mentioned, that is not happening anymore.
I doubt the Jays will get anything of value back for McGowan or/and Purcey. McGowan's value is probably as low as it will ever get. He is starting again now for the Skychiefs which is a good move IMO. Purcey pitched really well last year, but his walks seem to have caught up with him.
When you think of these two...think...Alex Rios. Didn't we read people saying the Jays should trade him before the year started so we could still get "something" in return?
flying27 wrote:First of all let me define what deems being a "regular" in the majors for me:
1)Staying with a major league team for atleast 10 weeks straight.
2)Staying with a major league team when there is nobody in your role(starter, reliever, or closer)injured anymore.
So no you wont see McGowan or Purcey become a regular with the Jays, or another team, depending whether either/both is traded or not by then, until atleast 2011.
McGowan and Purcey are already 24 and not even close to being major league pitchers, and pitchers their own age like Janssen and Taubenheim have blown past them, Rios was a major league player at 22 who struggled a bit in the majors but stayed up. The comparision to Rios is ludricious.
As for being called up if JP really had wanted to bring McGowan up he would have, one good start from Taubenheim after numerous poor starts would not have offset those plans. McGowan coming up was just stirring the pot, a bunch of hype, it was never going to come and never will happen anytime in the near future.
And I said they would. It's as simple as that. Your only reasoning that they won't is that they are too old. But that's just a bunch of BS. Older "prospects" have come to the big leagues then these two. Both of them certainly aren't lacking the stuff to be big league pitchers, it is more or less their control that has held them back (along with McGowan's major surgery). Though recently in AAA, Dustin seems to have fixed that problem.
Both of them have blown past them? They seem to be doing terribly right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them were sent down very soon (with McGowan being sent up).
As That appears to be what happened, and it certainly looks like JP made the wrong decision here. Stirring the pot... A bunch of hype... Why would Jays management do say these things for those purposes alone? If Dustin is as bad as you say he is, then wouldn't they not want to get anybody's hopes up? My bet is, barring a trade, McGowan will be up within weeks to take the 5th starting spot.
flying27 wrote:Fine, you will be wrong, it is as simple as that. You are far over
simplifying my reasoning as well. My reasoning was not simply that they are too old. My reasoning was they are now 24, and have been bypassed by pitchers younger then them like Jansse and Taubenheim, and are soon to be bypassed by much younger pitchers then themselves like Ricky Romero. My reasoning was that at age 24 they apparently are so incredably weak that even with the Jays in a desperate desperate pitching situation, they still arent considered serious options to be brought up, and in fact Purcey is even in AA now.
My reasoning was that at age 24, a pitcher younger them like Taubenheim is performing so poorly in MLB, and they are still not thought of as a better alternative. Did you watch the last game on Sportsnet? Baseball experts Pat Tabler and Jamie Campbell said there, "there is no better option in the farm system right now." So McGowan at age 24 and Purcey at age 24, or not considered as good an alternative as even Taubenheim, who is younger then them, performing almost embarassingly with the Jays. My reasoning was that being bypassed by pitchers younger then them who arent even that good, there wont be room for them on the Jays roster for a long time.
No contrary to your belief it is very rare to not make it to the majors say until age 27/28/29 and have any success when you dont make it until that late. Bring me examples if you are so sure though.
Yes both Janssen and Taubenheim have blown past McGowan and Purcey. You will NEVER see McGowan or Purcey over either Janssen or Taubenheim for more then a 6-week span ever again, mark my words.
The Jays management would throw the McGowan fanatics who probably are confused why a first round draft pick is so horrable, there is "no room" for him on the Jays roster, now at age 24, when the pitching staff is a total mess. The little "he might be called up" is a bone to get the McGowan fans giddy that he might be close when he really is not, and every couple months they probably throw that bone, when there really is no intention to bring him up.
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