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Postby wrveres » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:16 pm

Big Pimpin wrote: (and for that matter, we had an Asian kid in HS whose nickname was "gook" and he never once got offended).


trust me when I say this .. that kid was pissed off ..
He may not have shown it, but he was not happy about the nic name you guys gave him..
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:17 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:The main question here is, do OG's words really hurt anyone. From a baseball perspective it may deliver the message that gays are not welcome to be fans of the game, a valid point. More importantly, how can words like Guillen’s negatively impact our country and world?


where the hell did you read that? Man, some people are so sensitive right now.


?

If Guillen's comments go unpunished, it very well may send that message to many gays. You sound like the sensitive one.
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Postby RugbyD » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:18 pm

wrveres wrote:
RugbyD wrote:
Laean wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.


are you saying .. you should not get fined for ordering someone to throw a baseball 90 MPH at somebody?

maybe I misread

no, your reading skills are just fine ;-)

though i will qualify that with the assumption that it can be reasonably argued that the beaning was legit (that's the 'shouldn't get fined for' part)
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Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:23 pm

wrveres wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote: (and for that matter, we had an Asian kid in HS whose nickname was "gook" and he never once got offended).


trust me when I say this .. that kid was pissed off ..
He may not have shown it, but he was not happy about the nic name you guys gave him..


I guarantee he wasn't. He's still best friends with the group of guys that called him that. And I can't remember where it came from, but I think his brother coined it. :-)
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Postby Laean » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:24 pm

RugbyD wrote:
Laean wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.


first of all, that's your opinion,. it's not a fact or established overall belief that he shouldn't get fined. and two, a lot of ozzie defenders are saying he's just true to who he is and is being straightforward. and now you're saying he doesn't have to be straightforward if in his opinion he was right? well then i guess i can lie whenever i think i'm right too? gee what a fun world we'd live in if we all did that. "hmm i think it's unfair i got fired for being late just a couple of times in my last job, so i'm going to lie on my resume application and say i've never been fired before." "well i don't really consider marijuana as an illegal drug since it shouldn't be, so i'm going to say i've never had any drug offenses in this medical school application."

in the real world, people have to be responsible. and basically, ozzie is being irresponsible, and using the excuse that "oh well this is just me" to try to justify everything. he needs to grow the hell up and realize he's not in some elementary school playground now. he's playing with grown ups. maybe he doesn't solely represent the whitesox organization, but he IS representative of it whether he likes it or not. it's like whenever i do something bad, it reflects to other people on my Korean culture, or my school, or whatever, whether i want it to or not, whether i deny it or not.
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Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:26 pm

wrveres wrote:
RugbyD wrote:
Laean wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.


are you saying .. you should not get fined for ordering someone to throw a baseball 90 MPH at somebody?

maybe I misread


I don't think you should be fined either. Beanings are part of the game. Well they were until recently when baseball started trying to take them away. I contend that certain things deserve retribution, and if I managed I would preach it as well.

Furthermore, I believe that they should ban body armor (with the exception of the ankle guard things) so that it actually hurts to get hit again. Guys hang over the plate because he doesn't hurt to get drilled.
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Postby RugbyD » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:27 pm

Laean wrote:
RugbyD wrote:
Laean wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.


first of all, that's your opinion,. it's not a fact or established overall belief that he shouldn't get fined. and two, a lot of ozzie defenders are saying he's just true to who he is and is being straightforward. and now you're saying he doesn't have to be straightforward if in his opinion he was right? well then i guess i can lie whenever i think i'm right too? gee what a fun world we'd live in if we all did that. "hmm i think it's unfair i got fired for being late just a couple of times in my last job, so i'm going to lie on my resume application and say i've never been fired before."

in the real world, people have to be responsible. and basically, ozzie is being irresponsible, and using the excuse that "oh well this is just me" to try to justify everything. he needs to grow the hell up and realize he's not in some elementary school playground now. he's playing with grown ups. maybe he doesn't solely represent the whitesox organization, but he IS representative of it whether he likes it or not. it's like whenever i do something bad, it reflects to other people on my Korean culture, or my school, or whatever, whether i want it to or not, whether i deny it or not.


please update us on the next time you turn yourself in for breaking the speed limit by 2 mph, oh pure one.
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Postby Zito is God » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:32 pm

Theres a big difference between what mariotti said about Ozzie and what Ozzie said about Mariotti. You can say he is bad as a manager, you can say hes making the team lose, you can't attack his sexuality or religion or anything else this country's laws protect and sit there expecting no one to make a big deal about it.

Bottom line: Ozzie's ego is at a point where his head is about to burst, Selig will do something about this and restrain this pathetic attitude. To whoever said he won't manage after 2007, I only hope that is the truth, but I would like to read your arguement as to why.

I'm not getting started on the whole Sean Teracy thing because we know no one will convince the other that they are wrong (although I commend that most at the cafe have enough ethics and decensy to rip Ozzie for the Tracey move).

I hate Ozzie Guillen and wish that he gets what's coming to him (that foul ball going at his head a couple of games back almost did the trick though :()
Sean Tracey has my apologies, we all know Ozzie Guillen is an idiot. I'm rooting for you!
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Postby wrveres » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:33 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:
wrveres wrote:
RugbyD wrote:
Laean wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.


are you saying .. you should not get fined for ordering someone to throw a baseball 90 MPH at somebody?

maybe I misread


I don't think you should be fined either. Beanings are part of the game. Well they were until recently when baseball started trying to take them away. I contend that certain things deserve retribution, and if I managed I would preach it as well.

Furthermore, I believe that they should ban body armor (with the exception of the ankle guard things) so that it actually hurts to get hit again. Guys hang over the plate because he doesn't hurt to get drilled.


Imagine the precedent you guys are setting. Why intentionally walk somebody when you can just hit them and save three pitches. Just because retribution is an unwritten part of the game, does mean it is right...

With this new baseball rule you guys have created, is going for the head acceptable too? I will not even get into the example it sets for the little leagues. :-t

You order someone to hit somebody with a deadly weapon; you should be fined at the minimum
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:33 pm

wrveres wrote:well I wouldn't look at him as a representative of our country. More as a rep of baseball. I mean heck he gladly hopped on a plane owned by Hugo Chavez right after winning the World Series.
He def. does not represent me ..

I do think a suspension of some sort is in order. The man is out of control. Kenny Williams must be pulling his hair out by now having to deal with the garbage that follows Guillen around. As was pointed out earlier, untrained monkeys could have got that|this team to the playoffs and possibly the World Series. Kenny Williams deserves the credit that Ozzie Guillen takes and rubs in peoples noses in daily.

Guillen is Marge Schott revisited ..
no difference. :-t


Hmm, I don't know about no diff. to Schott. I mean she was blatantly and admittedly racist, prejudice and discriminating (and a woman). Maybe a little to quick to find a comparable mouth there. I guess we'd have to see him lose for a while to really find out.

Guillen as a rep of our country? Sure he is, maybe not in the context you are referring to. There are plenty of immigrants here just to make $ and enjoy our brand of freedom, but despise portions of America's past and present. I think he represents the USA in that he shows just about anyone can come here and be just about any type of person they want to be.

One thing I think you have to give Guillen credit for is the handling of his pitchers, specifically the pen.
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