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joshheines wrote:In response to the guy above who think a top position is reserved for only 4-5 category studs, simply, that's ridiculous. Let's put a hypothetical player named Ralph on the table. Now, Ralph doesn't hit for average or much power, but he can put up some gaudy SB numbers. Last year Ralph scored 130 runs, hit 10 HR, knocked in 60 RBI, stole 90 bases and hit for a .270 AVG. Ralph also plays SS. We knows that with few exceptions, SS don't hit for much power. So 10 HR and 60 RBI is only a slightly below average number. I'd say the AVG SS hits 13 HR and knocks in 70 RBI. So no big loss there. The same goes for AVG, The value of 130 runs and 90 SB simply cannot be undercut. That's probably 50 more runs than the average position achieves and a solid 60-65 more SB than the average position. With a guy like that, I don't have to worry too much about trying to get 5 tool studs like Soriano or Beltran and instead can concentrate on simple HR/RBI guys for the rest of the draft.
Also, no love for Joe Mauer? According to value of replacement value and position scarcity, the present top 10 guys in a 5x5 league with 14 bats (C, C, standards, 5 OF, CO, MI, UTIL are:
1. Joe Mauer
2. David Wright
3. Alfonso Soriano
4. Albert Pujols
6. Miguel Tejada
7. Jose Reyes
8/8/8/8. Ichiro/Beltran/Carlos Lee/V-Mart
The next set of guys would be Miguel Cabrera, Carl Crawford and Vernon Wells. It doesn't appear that value changes much even in a less deep league.
Right now, looks like league average catcher, eyeballing it has 6 HR, 34 RBI, 1 SB, 28 runs and a .280 AVG (That's only with one c per league). The AVG OF, again eyeballing, looks to have 14 HR, 45 RBI, 42 runs, 8 SB and a .290 AVG. Mauer is presently -1 HR below avg, -3 below avg in RBI, +6 above avg in SB, +8 runs and almost +.100 in AVG. Transmute those numbers to what he's be producing as an OF and you're looking at 13 HR, 42 RBI, 14 SB, 50 runs, and .390 AVG. Basically imagine Grady Sizemore's HR/SB/RBI/runs with Ichiro's average and that's ALMOST, but not quite what Joe Mauer has done this season.
I guess we're about 70 games into the season, so take Mauer's OF numbers over a season and you're looking at: 30 HR, 32 SB, 96 RBI, 114 runs scored and a .390 AVG. That's easily a first round pick even if Mauer keeps up the rest of his numbers and drops to hit around .340 as a catcher.
Geek wrote:However, we should remember that not only does Reyes not contribute much in two categories (RBI, HR), but right now he hurts your team in AVG--he's a net negative there. If people are going to hold Adam Dunn's average against him, then they should do the same for Reyes.
Don't get me wrong--I think that Reyes is definitely a second rounder. But top 15 players--which essentially means that someone is a borderline 1st round pick--need to rise above that.
Now, if Reyes shows 10+HR power or bats above .285 in the future (I think he will), then he's definitely late 1st round material.
Geek wrote:Except that stats are measured in gross terms, not terms relative to other players at a position. A catcher who has average power and RBI's for his position will contribute far less to his team than an OF who has average OF numbers.
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