Coppermine wrote:Omaha Red Sox wrote:davidmarver wrote:AA wrote:1. We have tortured them. That does not excuse what they did - of course not. But when I look at the situation in Ireland, for instance, each side claims the other started it. Neither has the moral authority to be considered the side I'd want to join because both factions are doing terrible things. We are in that same boat.
So sitting on our thumbs while 27,800,000 Iraqis suffer and starve under tyrannical rule would show more moral authority? Wouldn't that show a reluctance to act on our moral values and, for that matter, a lack of authority?
I'm really not sure what you want in the world AA. There's really no way around the atrocities committed in the world daily. There has to be a starting point somewhere. As much as you'd like to run away from the problems in the world, you can't do that and simultaneously claim that neither side has "moral authority". It's the chickens that lack the morals to use their authority that have allowed these human right crimes and torture to exist for the past few decades.
You can't leave Earth.
This is a great post david. Probably one of my favorites. I think I'm going to print this out, frame it and put it in my office. Awesome.
That is an excellent point and I agree, but is Iraq really the starting point, or the end? Do you know how many countries have citizens, millions, in some cases billions, of citizens starving and dying under tyrannical rule.
Once we're done with Iraq, does that mean that we must also invade North Korea, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Haiti, Cuba, Angola, Tajikstan, Albania, Iran, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Cote d'Ivory and the Congo? How about huge countries with human rights violations like China and Pakistan? Singapore? India is a damn democracy with millions of people dying each year. Bangladesh? Myanmar? Meanwhile, millions die of AIDS in Africa and global poverty is the single most destructive force on the planet.
I'm just trying to keep this in a global perspective and using the excuse of "we're helping them" is a sad one for invading Iraq in my opinion. The world is a tough place. Again, there's more than two sides to every situation.
Edit: instead of just putting the thumbs up since i agree with what CU is saying, my questions is, why Iraq? why are we liberating Iraq just for the good of the common Iraqi's and not any of these other countries?