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bigken117 wrote:dont let Tavish see this thread
With the exception of his rookie and final year, he never had an era over 4. 8 of those year he was under 3, and a lot of those over 3 years were JUST BARELY over 3, and yet he only won 20 or more games in a season twice.... Those were the years he was actually getting close to 400 Ks.
Tavish wrote:bigken117 wrote:dont let Tavish see this thread
Pretty amazing he such an amazing amount of CG in that stretch. A little less amazing considering he led the league in complete games only once in his career.
1972 39 GS 20 CG 9 SHO 18 Wins
Two CG losses. One CG Loss he gave up 7 runs the other was 2-1 loss to Oakland (Blue Moon Odom, Vida Blue and Rollie Fingers). Had 6 starts he didn't make it out of the 4th inning (16.1 IP - 24 ER). Had 2 games where he gave up 6 runs or more.
1973 39 GS 26 CG 4 SHO 21 Wins
Lost in 6 CGs, he gave up 6 runs, 4 runs (twice), 3 runs, 2 runs (twice). Had 6 games where he gave up 6 or more runs.
1974 41 GS 26 CG 3 SHO 22 Wins
Lost in 9 CGs, he gave up 6 runs (twice), 5 runs (twice), 3 runs, 2 runs (3 times), and a 1-0 11 inning game against Lolich (who also pitched 11 innings). Had 9 games where he gave up 6 or more runs (one of them he did win).
1975 28 GS 10 CG 5 SHO 14 Wins
Lost 2 CG, he gave up 6 Runs (3 UER) and 2 runs. Had 7 games (25% of his games that season) where he gave up 6 or more runs.
1976 39 GS 21 CG 7 SHO 17 Wins
Lost 7 CG, 6 runs, 5 runs, 3 runs (3 times), 2 runs (twice). Had 5 games where he gave up 6 or more runs.
1977 37 GS 22 CG 4 SHO 19 Wins
Lost 11 CG, 7 runs, 5 runs, 4 runs (twice), 3 runs (7 times). Had 4 games where he gave up 6 or more runs. This is probably his worst luck year of all his Angels' years.
1978 31 GS 14 CG 3 SHO 10 Wins
Lost 4 CG. 9 runs, 4 runs, 3 runs, and a 1-0 CG loss to Rick Langford. Had 7 games where he gave up 6 or more runs. Ryan finishes below .500 for the first time with the Angels, which he happens to do the first year the Angels finish above .500 with Ryan there.
1979 34 Gs 17 CG 5 SHO 16 Wins
Lost 4 CG giving up 3 runs in all of them. Had 6 games where he gave up 6 or more runs.
Angels years - 330 GS 156 CG 40 SHO 138 Wins
45 Losses in CG. 46 games allowing 6 or more runs.
TheYanks04 wrote:rentz wrote:great gretzky wrote:bears repeating, he punked robin ventura SO bad. One of my favorite sporting incidents ever. I love handing out the ventura award to acts that are majorly sissy. Ryan just put him down, it was great.
i was at that game
Ventura is never going to live that down.
acsguitar wrote:Ha...you really hate him huh.
California was a better pitcher anyways
Despite Ryan's longevity and statistics, his legacy has been questioned due to his many losses--for his career, he was only 32 games over .500, and his "average" season saw him post a record of 13-12--to some extent justifying Bavasi's criticisms. By comparison, Koufax was 78 games over .500 in a much shorter career, and Cy Young 195 games over .500. His 292 losses rank him third overall, and first among pitchers who played entirely after 1900. He ranked in the top ten in the league in wins eight times, and in losses eight times. Despite the common belief that Ryan played mostly for bad teams, his teams (disregarding Ryan's own wins and losses) had a .503 winning percentage over his career (.506, if you disregard the 1966 New York Mets for which he pitched three innings and which lost 95 games). Thus, his winning percentage was only, at best, .023 better than the teams he played on (Walter Johnson, by comparison, was better by .107 than the teams he played on) He had little success in leading teams to the postseason, making it there only five times, and only once to the World Series--as a rookie with the Mets. Despite his spectacular statistics in the area of strikeouts, each counted only as one out, and his no-hitters each counted as only one win.
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