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Postby theultimate69 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:26 pm

To all those "fantasy GURU's" that think they're so smart: maybe WATCH Papelbon pitch for once in your life. I even saw the guy last year and said "Wow." I drafted him in March just because of how he had looked. Now everyone knows about him because he has obliterated the AL. Don't even think numbers - watch him! He pitches with so much confidence and so much poise, it's absurd to be compare him to Chris Shelton...
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Postby The_Met_Threat » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:29 pm

theultimate69 wrote:To all those "fantasy GURU's" that think they're so smart: maybe WATCH Papelbon pitch for once in your life. I even saw the guy last year and said "Wow." I drafted him in March just because of how he had looked. Now everyone knows about him because he has obliterated the AL. Don't even think numbers - watch him! He pitches with so much confidence and so much poise, it's absurd to be compare him to Chris Shelton...


O wait you sarcastically label us "fantasy gurus" but when you watch a player pitch and deem him good, he ultimately is the best pitcher ever. Are you a scout for Boston?
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Postby Red Sox Nation » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:37 pm

theultimate69 wrote:To all those "fantasy GURU's" that think they're so smart: maybe WATCH Papelbon pitch for once in your life. I even saw the guy last year and said "Wow." I drafted him in March just because of how he had looked. Now everyone knows about him because he has obliterated the AL. Don't even think numbers - watch him! He pitches with so much confidence and so much poise, it's absurd to be compare him to Chris Shelton...


I saw him pitch last year. He had good stuff. My league was an autodraft so he wasn't picked. After his first save vs TEX I picked him up.

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theultimate69 wrote:To all those "fantasy GURU's" that think they're so smart: maybe WATCH Papelbon pitch for once in your life. I even saw the guy last year and said "Wow." I drafted him in March just because of how he had looked. Now everyone knows about him because he has obliterated the AL. Don't even think numbers - watch him! He pitches with so much confidence and so much poise, it's absurd to be compare him to Chris Shelton...


O wait you sarcastically label us "fantasy gurus" but when you watch a player pitch and deem him good, he ultimately is the best pitcher ever. Are you a scout for Boston?


LOL. Meh... I'm a Boston Fan and Papelbon is awesome for what he's done with Boston this year in the closing role but he's not the best pitcher out there now or before. He's young and until he retires you can't compare anyone really. You can only compare this current season players.
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Postby Another Blown Save » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:53 pm

I'd still say that Rivera is the best closer in both keeper and non-keeper.
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Postby activechamp2006 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:58 pm

the top 5 are easy

krod is obviously the best.. hes young and has a good track record with great stuff
pap is second kid is just a great young stud

in a keeper league really these are the only 2 that are keeper worthy.. i really think keeping a closer is a horrible idea, considering so many of them pop up on the free agents.. everyone else is either to old or 2 inexperienced.
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:41 pm

garf112 wrote:
activechamp2006 wrote:the top 5 are easy

krod is obviously the best.. hes young and has a good track record with great stuff
pap is second kid is just a great young stud

in a keeper league really these are the only 2 that are keeper worthy.. i really think keeping a closer is a horrible idea, considering so many of them pop up on the free agents.. everyone else is either to old or 2 inexperienced.


I would have to add Huston Street to this list. Oakland does not want to pay money for a closer, so, until Street becomes a free agent 5 years or so from now, Street is their closer. You can't find that kind of job security in any closer role other than with the A's right now.


They might trade him a year before that but your premise is correct. Billy Beane talks about selling the closer before he gets expensive in Moneyball so don't be surprised if Street goes with a 1/2 year or maybe even a year left before he becomes a FA. Beane would use Street to trade for a late-season key part or for some good prospects...most likely a late season key acquisition though.
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Postby Havok1517 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:43 pm

garf112 wrote:
activechamp2006 wrote:the top 5 are easy

krod is obviously the best.. hes young and has a good track record with great stuff
pap is second kid is just a great young stud

in a keeper league really these are the only 2 that are keeper worthy.. i really think keeping a closer is a horrible idea, considering so many of them pop up on the free agents.. everyone else is either to old or 2 inexperienced.


I would have to add Huston Street to this list. Oakland does not want to pay money for a closer, so, until Street becomes a free agent 5 years or so from now, Street is their closer. You can't find that kind of job security in any closer role other than with the A's right now.


The thing with Street, aside from him being unhealthy, is that he isn't dominating like Ryan, Lidge, & Krod. He doesn't K near as many guys.
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Postby Havok1517 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:59 pm

I think KRod and the rest of the Angels are in the same funk. Street doesn't K as many guys as the best closers do which seperates him from the elite tier of Keeper closers imo. Maybe Street will get more experience and the Ks will follow but until then he's really no better than C.Cordero.
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Postby J35J » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:09 pm

Nerfherders wrote:There are a few things you need to look at when you are considering keeper closers. They arent like keeper starters - a closer is not someone you lock up for 5 years because the nature of the position. Just look at Francisco Cordero.

1. Does he have the job locked up? Meaning, if the guy decided to blow 3 or 4 saves in a row would he still have his job?

2. Is there even a small chance he goes to the rotation? You never know how a pitcher will handle the change, or if he will be worth a keeper spot in that situation.

3. Age. Not as important as a hitter or even a starter, but you want a guy young enough that you know he'll be playing for at least 4 more years at his current level. Also, you dont want someone so young or inexperienced you dont know how he will handle pressure later on.

4. Stuff. This is easy enough to evaluate. It's simply K rate vs. ERA. Closing is all about NOT putting the ball in play. K's are gold for relievers.

5. Consistency. You want guys who have done it and done it well from year to year. And stay healthy

That being said, here are my top 5 keeper closers:

1. Francisco Rodriguez. Without a doubt the best combination of all the factors above.
2. Brad Lidge. A little shaky this year but still great overall.
3. Joe Nathan. Has everything but opps this season.
4. Billy Wagner. Would be #2 if not for health concerns.
5. Mariano Rivera. Consistency at its prime.

Papelbon has been good but he's been in the majors for 2 months. I'm not going to bet the farm on him just yet. Not even after one season. The book hasnt even gotten around on this guy, esp since he's a reliever and the hitters havent gotten alot of looks at him. If he keeps it up by the end of 2007 he could make the list. Jenks is pretty much the same deal. My darkhorse is Fuentes. He's fantastic but he needs another 4-5 months before I say he's the real deal.


Ding, ding, ding we have a winner! I completely agree with everything said here!!


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