slomo007 wrote: Havok1517 wrote: slomo007 wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:Zumaya for sure has the best pure stuff of any major league, no question.
The best stuff of any major leaguer?
He has filthy stuff, no doubt, but not the best. Some other guys with filthy stuff that I'd take over Zumaya's stuff - Verlander, Felix, Oswalt, and Rivera come to mind.
Yeah, I say based on pure stuff its him. I don't think anybody can consistently match his velocity. Which can be well over 100MPH regularly (when I mean well I mean 100-103). I think there are pitchers that are better and have more in their arsenal but I think its impossible to beat Zumaya's consisten velocity on his pitchers. It's scary. I don't anybody has thrown as fast as he has this year. http://www.fantasysportstrades.com/joel ... mmer-time/
Verlander not only can hit 100+ MPH at any point in the game, he can also throw a 93 MPH fastball, and pretty much anything in between. He also has a wicked changeup and above average curve. Not to mention he is able to do it for 7-8 innings, which Zumaya might be able to do also but we just haven't seen it at the major league level yet (not his fault). I love both of them, and think they're two of the brightest pitching prospects in the game, but IMO Verlander's stuff is slightly better. Zumaya is the prototypical closer though. I have to wonder if players would start catching up with a fastball that doesn't vary too much in speed, after 2-3 turns around the batting order. That's something we may never know though.
he's got a nasty curve (think he throws it around 90) and a change-up, but as the announcers like to say, when you're in there for 1 inning you arent going to throw your 3rd best pitch very often.
i think for this year he stays the set-up man, i just dont think there's any way he passes Jones and Rodney for the closers role, and i dont see the Tigers dealing anyone from the pen if they have their eyes on a pennent run
i do think Zumaya will be the futue closer though, he has the stuff and the mentality. i mean how many guys have you seen that would rather come out of the pen than start?
i know he started in AAA, but i worry about fatigue with him more than Verlander and i think he'd have a hard time as a Major League starter over a full season