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Oh, I wonder.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:13 pm
by Zito is God
Where would Kazmir be if he stuck with the Mets? Bigger ballpark, much better offense, better pitching coach, NL. He could have had a shot at the CY Young this year.

My two questions are:

1. Where do you see Kazmir now if he stuck with the Mets?

2. How long is Kazmir signed for? Its pretty simple to assume that tampa will not in any way be able to resign Kazmir so where is he going afterwards?

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:19 pm
by acsguitar
Well if he could deal with NY he'd be great.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:22 pm
by cordscords
1. If he was with the Mets right now I would guess his #'s would look the same and his outlook would be just as bright. It's easy to say take a stud SP in the AL and move him to an NL pitchers park and his sick #'s get even sicker, but I don't know if there is a pitcher to make that jump yet. You usually see the jump in #3/#4 starters.

2. Kazmir is signed through the 2007 season.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:24 pm
by Amazing Oopah
I was wondering the same thing... Can you imagine a Pedro, Glavine, Kazmir top 3 starting rotation? Sick.

And after his contract with TB, he will attract the attention of everyone for sure. I just hope he doesn't end up in pinstripes.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:26 pm
by mikhayl
Why is it a foregone conclusion that Tampa won't try to retain him? Their new ownership group has shown that they are willing to open up the pocketbook (Baldelli & Crawford).

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:37 pm
by MashinSpuds
mikhayl wrote:Why is it a foregone conclusion that Tampa won't try to retain him? Their new ownership group has shown that they are willing to open up the pocketbook (Baldelli & Crawford).

Yeah, TB would be daft not to. It's not like they've had many great starters fall into their lap like this. Leave Joe Kennedy in Oakland, Kazmir will be a Ray forever.

Unless, of course, Kazmir wants to join a contender. Then TB is out of luck before the wallet's out of the pocket.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:43 pm
by Zito is God
In place of kazmir, why would I want to play for a team that will never win and pay me less then some offers from richer teams? It's that simple, he won't sign.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:48 pm
by teddy ballgame
MashinSpuds wrote:
mikhayl wrote:Why is it a foregone conclusion that Tampa won't try to retain him? Their new ownership group has shown that they are willing to open up the pocketbook (Baldelli & Crawford).

Yeah, TB would be daft not to. It's not like they've had many great starters fall into their lap like this. Leave Joe Kennedy in Oakland, Kazmir will be a Ray forever.

Unless, of course, Kazmir wants to join a contender. Then TB is out of luck before the wallet's out of the pocket.

I also think Tampa will resign him and make him a face of their franchise. They've got a great thing started down there to be honest. A lot of young talent.

Kazmir was recently on Baseball Tonight and talked about how all the young guys got along and loved the situation because they're all growing up and progressing together at the same time.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:49 pm
by thehotcorner
cordscords wrote:1. If he was with the Mets right now I would guess his #'s would look the same and his outlook would be just as bright. It's easy to say take a stud SP in the AL and move him to an NL pitchers park and his sick #'s get even sicker, but I don't know if there is a pitcher to make that jump yet. You usually see the jump in #3/#4 starters.

2. Kazmir is signed through the 2007 season.


um.. Pedro Martinez made that exact jump. From Fenway and the AL East to Shea and the NL East. Thought I can't say there was a noticeable difference in his numbers. I mean I don't think you can say for sure that he wouldn't have bounced back had he stayed in Boston. He's pitching great, but certainly no better than he has in any recent year except his last one in Boston.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:01 pm
by cordscords
thehotcorner wrote:
cordscords wrote:1. If he was with the Mets right now I would guess his #'s would look the same and his outlook would be just as bright. It's easy to say take a stud SP in the AL and move him to an NL pitchers park and his sick #'s get even sicker, but I don't know if there is a pitcher to make that jump yet. You usually see the jump in #3/#4 starters.

2. Kazmir is signed through the 2007 season.


um.. Pedro Martinez made that exact jump. From Fenway and the AL East to Shea and the NL East. Thought I can't say there was a noticeable difference in his numbers. I mean I don't think you can say for sure that he wouldn't have bounced back had he stayed in Boston. He's pitching great, but certainly no better than he has in any recent year except his last one in Boston.


But Pedro in '04 had by far his worst statisitcal year in a very long time. One of the hot topics in the offseason was "Is he the same pitcher anymore? Did his shoulder finally get to him?" I projected his #'s to get much better the following year, as they did. Had he stayed in Boston, I don't know what he would have done, but I would have him improving but just not as much as I would have projected him to improve for the Mets.

I'm saying you have not seen a pitcher put up a few sick years in the AL in his prime, and switch over to an NL's pitchers park while still in his prime.