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Postby The Loveable Losers » Mon May 01, 2006 3:04 pm

Yeah, you've got to bring in someone else. Varitek has shown he can't catch Timmy's knuckleball and Bard was well on his way to proving that he couldn't do it either. Mirabelli always did a great job with Wakefield so it makes all the sense in the world.

They did overpay but if you take both of the Mirabelli deals as part of one transaction Boston made out fairly well.
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Postby nixonforpres » Mon May 01, 2006 3:08 pm

"IMO, this is strictly a Varitek does not want to/Wakefield like Mirabelli issue"

Well, if you've got two guys who would be happy with a certain situation, and you CAN make that situation happen, why shouldn't they make it happen? A few more wins due to the kind of defense, bat, and morale Mirrabelli brings can get you a pennant. (Or at least those few wins ;-) )
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Postby jzfran » Mon May 01, 2006 3:43 pm

It doesnt hurt tek to get a day off every 5 games. Mirabelli in his time proved to be a top notch backup catcher. In my opinion, he was one of the top backup catchers oin baseball. He really got used to Wake's knuckle and they worked well together. Tek, however, has caught Wakefield before, even in the 2004 playoffs, where Wake pitched and they eneded Jasons bat. This move definately helps the Sox, and Wake's struggles should be ending now that he can rely on only maing 3 outs per inning instead of 4 or 5.
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Postby thedude » Mon May 01, 2006 5:54 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:The resources go towards pitching? What resources? Bard and a minor league scrub? The Sox are very lucky they got Mirabelli for what they did. Great move by them too. They basically got Loretta for free.



Actually it is more like Loretta (who, when not playing on patriot's day, has been terrible) for Shoppach and Meredith, Both are ok prospects. Shoppach is a good defensive catcher and Meredith should devolp into a nice MR.

I agree that it is a move that need to be made, but i would have prefered to keep meredith.


And if go back over the years, many Knuckleballers have ad thier own catchers. Varitek catch Wake for a short period last year and it was a bad experience.
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Postby giants! » Mon May 01, 2006 6:40 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Since when is it up to a C like Varitek to determine who he should or should not Catch? Are you saying Varitek is worse than Bard at catching Wakefield? I find that hard to believe as he has done it in the past.

IMO, this is strictly a Varitek does not want to/Wakefield like Mirabelli issue. Wakefield is hardly the first knuckle ball pitcher in the big leagues and I find it perposterous that a C like Varitek could not do an adequate job catching him if he had to.

There are few pitchers in history (knuckle ball pitchers included) that have had catchers for their own personal use and could dictate to a team roster/personnel decisions. And the ones I can think of are either HOF'ers or going to be HOF'ers.



Not that this makes a whole lot of difference, but I find it amusing that Boston needed to go to this extreme to placate Wakefield and Varitek and that the Yanks think this is a move worthy of them dealing for a C they do not need.


Even as a fellow yankee fan, I will disagree here. Wakefield, moreso than the others deserves a personal catcher. Wakefield has a tough knuckleball that only few can catch. On the other hand, upper echelon pitchers like Maddux and Carton all threw common pitches, there was no reason why the everyday catcher could not catch them. However, as we see from bard, not every catcher can catch Wakefield, so why not get the catcher that catches him best. As a Yankee fan, I dont like this news
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Mon May 01, 2006 6:57 pm

As I said before, I love this move. I can't wait to see him back in the dugout. Great move from a team unity standpoint, imo, even if he only starts every 5 days.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon May 01, 2006 8:21 pm

He got a standing O from Fenway. 8-o

It was a good move, but it's not like he's a superstar or even a former Red Sock hero returned home. He's a backup catcher folks. :-°
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Postby teddy ballgame » Mon May 01, 2006 8:25 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:He got a standing O from Fenway. 8-o

It was a good move, but it's not like he's a superstar or even a former Red Sock hero returned home. He's a backup catcher folks. :-°

He's a fan favorite.
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Postby George_Foreman » Mon May 01, 2006 9:33 pm

Maddux didn't exactly have a personal catcher; he and Javy Lopez just didn't work well together so Cox just used the backup on Maddux's starts.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Mon May 01, 2006 11:05 pm

W/ the video they showed of Bard during the game, it seems like a pretty intelligent move. It almost seems though that having Mirabelli in the lineup almost turns the Bosox into an NL team if he doesn't start to hit? :-?

I found the parts of 'Ball Four' dealing w/ Bouton's having to lobby for practice time w/ the Pilots so he could get the knuckler into game shape pretty entertaining. I was trying to explain the whole knuckleball thing to AcidDaughter (until the Cubs game started anyway... :-D ) and it was a bit too esoteric for a 7 year old. "well, you see those numbers [pausing DVR]? That guy can't hit and the other guy can't catch. Now see all those Indians scoring and touching home plate? That's BAD for the Red Sox and the guy who catches it might stop that stuff...."
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