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Postby Zito is God » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:23 pm

This may or may not bve completely pointless, but I was interested ins eeing if any stats at all exist on the % of times a certain pitcher waives off the signla from his catcher on what to throw.

Example: Zito throws to kendall. Kendall signals 10 FBs, on the 10th pitch, Zito waives Kendall off and throws a curve, Zito's waive-off % would be 10% out of the pitches he threw being waived off.

I honestly have no idea what this shows in the pitcher, that her is arrogant? That he knows better? That he does trust the catcher? I really don't know, I just thought it would be an interesting stat to look at.
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:25 pm

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Postby George_Foreman » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:51 pm

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Postby cordscords » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:04 pm

Or maybe the fact he hasnt been able to locate a certain pitch during the game, so he waves the catcher off.
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Postby Mugrila » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:51 pm

many times pitchers just want to throw a different pitch. i'm not sure about in the bigs, but i know at lower levels the pitchers will sometimes shake off a few signs to get the hitter thinking. they may even have a certain signal that means shake off before they give the real signal.
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Postby theclefe » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:52 pm

Intruging Idea that I am sure someone is recording, I just haven't seen it yet. It would be interesting to see what pitchers and cathers are at odds. It would also help evaluate what a catcher's experience and game-calling brings to a pitchers performance, though there may be better ways to figure that out.
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Postby great gretzky » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:53 pm

paralysis by analysis.

How many times has Iverson held up his index finger signifying "ISO to me"
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Postby Armed and Hammered » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:55 pm

Catcher's sometimes call for a "shake-off" trying to mix up the hitter so I don't really think it is even possible. No way to tell whether he is actually wanting to throw a different ptich.
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Postby theclefe » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:03 pm

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Postby theclefe » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:03 pm

Armed and Hammered wrote:Catcher's sometimes call for a "shake-off" trying to mix up the hitter so I don't really think it is even possible. No way to tell whether he is actually wanting to throw a different ptich.


Once or twice a game, maybe. That wouldn't skew the numbers. A starter throws 100 pitcher, relievers 50-75. One or two tricky shake offs is trivial, though I doubt most MLB pitchers don't shake off pitches just to get in batters heads.
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