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Postby Yoda » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:54 pm

TurdFerguson wrote:
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slomo007 wrote:Yoda, you are to Teixeira what Yanks04 is to Helton, K Brown, Cashman, Wright, Weaver, Vazquez, Pavano, and Bonds.


Not true. I like Teixeira. I just don't think he is as good as other people think he is. And Rotoworld basically confirmed what I was thinking about him.

I thought it was funny how awful he's playing for the US when everyone is touting him as a top 5 pick. He's a slow starter and will get back on track at some point.
The guy is freaking 25 yrs old.In a couple of years he will be a terror on the road and if the team gets better overall on the road his production will go threw the roof.


Yep. I drafted Teixeira before he even had a single AB in MLB. He's a talented hitter and should improve but he is benefitting heavily from that ballpark.
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Postby TurdFerguson » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:03 pm

Yoda wrote:
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slomo007 wrote:Yoda, you are to Teixeira what Yanks04 is to Helton, K Brown, Cashman, Wright, Weaver, Vazquez, Pavano, and Bonds.


Not true. I like Teixeira. I just don't think he is as good as other people think he is. And Rotoworld basically confirmed what I was thinking about him.

I thought it was funny how awful he's playing for the US when everyone is touting him as a top 5 pick. He's a slow starter and will get back on track at some point.
The guy is freaking 25 yrs old.In a couple of years he will be a terror on the road and if the team gets better overall on the road his production will go threw the roof.


Yep. I drafted Teixeira before he even had a single AB in MLB. He's a talented hitter and should improve but he is benefitting heavily from that ballpark.
I see what your saying but there are alot of good hitter ballparks,just think if he was on a better team.Its just saying that Manny and Ortiz are just that good because of Fenway.
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Postby Wharton93 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:12 pm

Enough with the Teix bashing~

Teix did .270 with 13 HR and 56 RBI on the road last year. Double that and you get .270, 26-112. Admittedly not great, but let's keep digging.

Next since ALL of his division rival road games are played in non-friendly environs--Seattle, Oakland and "LAA", you would have to uptick the numbers a bit to bring his road numbers up to something resembling "neutral". Where's that take you? .280 with 30+ and 120+? A recent review of BP's park factors shows...Seattle is the worst and OAK and ANA are also below the median. These 3 parks are "pitchers' parks." He has to play what...almost 40% of his road games in these pitcher parks? Think that might have an impact on his 'terrible road numbers'????

If you take out Safeco alone from his 2005 numbers...his road average jumps to .281.

Now, I'm not suggesting that .270-26-112 or even .281 33-125 would make him a first rounder...but enough of the "this guy sucks" and his 12 ABs against pitchers he's never seen before proves it.

Soriano hit like .225 on the road last year...go throw him under a bus~
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Postby Yoda » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:30 pm

LMAO. I find it funny how Teixeira lovers making up things I never even said. Calm down people.
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Postby dyuen87 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:30 pm

tgalv wrote:12 friggin at bats. this WBC means almost nothing if guys suck during it. it's like 1 week in the season. people go on tears and slumps, especially this early in the season.


yup i agree. It's not like Tex cant smash the ball out of the ball park. In fact he yanked a pitch just foul down the left field line and it reached the upper decks. Like most of the US team, he's just not ready to compete at his best yet, it's still ST for these guys. If you expect them to go against pitchers that are in mid-season form, and ones they've never seen before, you shouldnt expect much.
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Postby avsfan4ever33 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:35 pm

I think Helton deserved a spot more than Teix, but I'm glad he didn't go and can focus on ST.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:39 pm

You may also consider that his split stats show that he got hot towards the end of the year, the 3 months he batted over .300 were May, August and September. That might have some 'bonus value' as that's when the fantasy playoffs are going on? Of course, that sort of reductionistic analysis will really play out.

I had Big Teix last year and, while he was solid, I was leery of taking him in the first round as, for most of the year his AVG was in the .270 range. Certainly reasonable, particularly as the MLB avg AVG was lower, but not necessarily 1st round material in my book. He has upside but what if he hits a slump and goes the other way?
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Postby hookem2003 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:42 pm

This is a good topic to bring up, not b/c I don't think he's the real deal but he has a history of slow starts. Play this up around your leagues and then try to trade for him in late april.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:03 pm

Derrek Lee hurt his shoulder last night and went to go see a specialist today, so its not like they have much of an option. You are bagging on this guy for what are essentially his spring training stats. Of course he benefits from Arlington. Everyone in that lineup but Mike Young, who does about the same on the road also, benefits. Tex is still young and improving. If he hits .280-.290 on the road, his numbers get even better. As for the slump he had, thats only really a factor in H2H. You'll still get your final numbers for roto, and you can even trade for him in that slump for the push in the last month. If 12 AB confirmed what you were thinking, you weren't going to accept anything to the contrary of what you were thinking, because 12 AB is basically 3 games. Are you going to draw a conclusion off 3 games?
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Postby AcidRock23 » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:16 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote: As for the slump he had, thats only really a factor in H2H. You'll still get your final numbers for roto, and you can even trade for him in that slump for the push in the last month.


The numbers suggest a bit more than a slump, they show a .270/.280 hitter, not really #4 overall in my book. I like him a lot as a player but was leery of sinking a big kahuna of a pick into him. Same w/ Manny though, he's oldish and hit .292 all year. I kind of backed off on looking for .300 guys but think that in the first round, there's guys likely to hit .300. 40 HRs nothing to sneeze at but, at 1B only, you can get that out of Dunn/ Sexson/ Konerko. Dunn's not that old either and, despite the amazing K totals, may also have some upside there? I Dunno...

Then again, I usually play H2H rather than Roto...
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