stumpak wrote:It is not BS to project on line-ups. I agree that a stud player is not impacted very much in terms of OPS stats whether he has Babe Ruth or Buddy Bianculana hitting in front of him.
However, I would like to hear your arguement on how the rest of the line-up has no effect on Rs and RBIs. Last I checked this was 40% of of the offensive value of a player in a 5x5 format. I would just caution that anyone who is expecting big run produciton numbers from Vald may want to consider that unliker previous years the guys who will be knocking him in are the declining and injury prone Garrett Anderson and Juan Rivera, who is quite feeble for a #5 hitter.
If line-up are not BS, are going to tell me that M. Cabrera has the same value playing for the Marlins that he would for the Rangers?
It is complete BS to discount or upgrade players like Vlad or MCab who have proven they can carry an offense by themselves to say they will not be productive due to lineup support. Bonds has been on the same boat. Do you see those guys falling off because Juan Pierre is not in the lineup? Please.
If you want to argue ball parks, that is something we can factor in but when people prove they can perform at the highest level like these guys do, it doesn't matter as much as it does for marginal players who need all the help they can get.
Did Pujols have an off year in 05 with Rolen down, Edmonds, Sanders hurting? I don't think so.
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